Server Rules: Questions and Answers

[The.Godfather]

3 hours ago, Dawn said:

In relation to the last few comments, as members of staff we steer away from using the argument of it "being broad daylight" or "a populated area" now, and this has been the mindset of the majority of the admin team for the past two or so months. The reason mostly comes down to what @Scrat Knappmentioned, and that we are fine with characters being sloppy and making mistakes when breaking the law. We're going to keep our safezones list for obvious reasons but they're the only instances where location of the crime alone should be bought into question. That being said location can be supplemental to other things and be used to argue in different contexts (i.e. if South Central gang members heading out into Paleto to rob hunters, we frown upon that as being poor portrayal).

First of all, thank you so much @Dawn for taking out time to clarify this for us. My aim for writing the previous few comments was neither to question the rules on the server nor the justification behind them, but to gather some insight on the matter. I understand that the ones in-charge of making those rules are more experienced than I am. 

 

My only concern was the apparent ambivalence in the admins' stance on this matter, as seen in conclusions of several player reports. 

Now that you've mentioned that the stance has been steered in a certain direction in the past two months, which is different from what it was in the past, it befittingly answers my original concern. 

 

Now I do not wish to enter into a debate of legal versus illegal RP or whether I agree/disagree with this stance. This thread is for asking questions, and I'd like to maintain its sanctity. I would also urge others (on both sides of the argument) to use the right channels to voice/raise your concerns instead of posting them here. 🙂

[BadassBaboon]

Got 2 questions.

 

1. Let's say a character was killed in a faction. If the involved parties agree that the CK is to be voided, can that be done? Or it needs IFM/LFM's approval or something.

 

2. You got a character and wanna pass it to somebody else, so you just consent the name to be used by them and you proceed to delete/nc the character on your slot. Is that allowed?

[Smilesville]

1 hour ago, BadassBaboon said:

1. Let's say a character was killed in a faction. If the involved parties agree that the CK is to be voided, can that be done? Or it needs IFM/LFM's approval or something.

The policy in the past has been that if a CK was done by the player of the character, it cannot be voided. I highly doubt a faction could reverse a CK by changing its mind.

[mj2002]

4 hours ago, BadassBaboon said:

1. Let's say a character was killed in a faction. If the involved parties agree that the CK is to be voided, can that be done? Or it needs IFM/LFM's approval or something.

• Faction Character kills are not included in this appeal. As they are not possible to be appealed, unless a rulebreak took place during said CK.

Edited June 1, 2021 by mj2002

[Flanders]

On 4/24/2021 at 6:20 AM, Pillsbury said:

A lot of admins, when we do get the basis of reports are looking about how you RP it.. Are you rushing it? Are you just running up to every door and opening it? Robbing is indeed something that happens in real life, we all know it - sadly it happens to someone once in their lifetime, where its either a Home Invasion, vehicle robbery, or just a little petty theft like someone taking you're favorite bouncy ball. We tend to find that a lot of people like to abuse the robbery script, especially during low-pop hours. We have our ways of finding out people are constantly breaking into things, over and over, or attempting to.

But I think the general basis behind the decision of the admins are;

A. Does this make sense for you're character, or are you using the typical "i need money" but when we do a stat check on you, you have $100,000 in hand and 1.5m in the bank, with amazing houses and cars

B. Are you just doing it over and over until you get a successful hit? You just tried five cars, none have anything in them, or you couldn't get inside.. why are you wasting you're time more and more? This becomes more of an "OOC" hussle type of thing, from what I have experienced and noticed. Why after you just tried to rob that couple that popped three shots off at you and called 911, are you back on the streets robbing them or other players, thirty minutes later?

C. Where are you doing it? I know it sounds funny, but a lot of people love robbing cars/people outside of Police Stations, Fire Stations, DMV's, Courthouses.

D. How are you doing it? Are you putting the detailed RP involved? The fear of being caught? We see to many people that just run around, quite literally, just don't care for anything at all that goes around it and the RP into it. A lot of people will just do "/me starts to lockpick" or some constant 'forced' RP line that is almost like a copy/paste, for every vehicle or person they are trying to get. This is one of the big ones that get people ajailed and warned for chain robbing, doing the same commands and lines, over, and over, and over again. It shows that yes, maybe it's a bit more 'rough' to come up with detailed and different RP lines everytime, but it also shows that you are not putting in the effort or atleast trying. You would be surprised the amount of times this is literally, the key factor in a punishment for chain-robbing.

E. And finally, after you did five successful hits in a row, why are you now going to the middle of a parking lot where people are physically watching you rob a car? Why are you robbing another five people, after you know that person probably got a way to call/tell the police (remember, we have payphones now). Why are you continuing to go that extra mile for literally, no reason. People tend to never leave things in their car anymore in-game because of the issue of chain robbing. You walk inside for five minutes and someone is trying to take advantage of you're vehicle. I get people are greedy, but it's like, you arrest them ICly and then there back out doing it again with not a care in sight, thinking they only went to jail for one day in life for an armed robbery and multiple vehicle robberies? This mainly ties to what I am saying down below with -- what is you're characters purpose on this server? 

Admins have no problems if people are robbing vehicles, houses, properties, people - whatever it is, but if their is no actual story behind it besides that this is all your character does, were gonna smack down on it. If you're not providing anymore RP to the server then going to rob people and then logoff with the minimum amount of RP required, and or maybe not even meeting our expectations, why should we give you the effort when you're not giving it back to anyone in return? We have had a few specific cases in the administrative team where we would see the same names every five minutes, and it got to the point where this "norm" of walking up to a car and trying every one you see, became the standard that people think is okay. I'm not saying *everyone* - but speaking from experience and the amount of times I've dealt with chain robbing reports, or going and being a proactive person about it - it tends to be the same.. old excuse, everytime. 

What I listed is not a official list, nor can I speak for every admin, as every situation is different and has it's own circumstances - this is where a lot of our discretion comes in place. But I think the general basis, or the "start" of what admins look for in the chain robbing rulings, and what I have experienced as Staff Management and a regular admin, is that list usually is one of the keystones on why you are probably being punished. 

Very comprehensive read on the internal judgment factors of illegal rp quality, thanks for disclosing.

[CertifiedKiller]

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• A character may only run over (ram) another player over if a character's life is at risk. This should not be done excessively

 

This needs to be removed or re-worded to make more sense. 

 

Why can't our characters ram people who are actively attacking them - or are in an IC argument or altercation with them? It happens in real life - it should be able to happen here - aslong as it isn't excessive and randomly targeted. Which is what I THINK this rule means - but I don't know, it's not explained well enough in the rules. It needs to be more clear than just a single bulitain point on when it's acceptable.

[Rasta]

1 hour ago, CertifiedKiller said:

This needs to be removed or re-worded to make more sense. 

 

Why can't our characters ram people who are actively attacking them - or are in an IC argument or altercation with them? It happens in real life - it should be able to happen here - aslong as it isn't excessive and randomly targeted. Which is what I THINK this rule means - but I don't know, it's not explained well enough in the rules. It needs to be more clear than just a single bulitain point on when it's acceptable.

To be honest if you roleplay it properly I believe it shouldn't be a problem but I agree that it should be more clarified. In real life you can dodge a car if you see it coming, in GTA it's kinda hard with sluggish movement, plus here you bump someone and he rag dolls, in real life the unfolding of events would be less comedic than that.

 

Not supporting that it's removed, just explained more in depth.

[CertifiedKiller]

22 minutes ago, Rasta said:

To be honest if you roleplay it properly I believe it shouldn't be a problem but I agree that it should be more clarified. In real life you can dodge a car if you see it coming, in GTA it's kinda hard with sluggish movement, plus here you bump someone and he rag dolls, in real life the unfolding of events would be less comedic than that.

 

Not supporting that it's removed, just explained more in depth.

Yeah - but like, the movement isn't that bad- you can still dodge a car easily.

[IonutAi]

It’s correct if a player tries to persuade me into not report a player?

[Jonesy]

7 hours ago, IonutAi said:

It’s correct if a player tries to persuade me into not report a player?

No, if you believe there's a breach of the rules that you would like us to investigate then report it. If you can mutually sort something out prior to an admin being called then even better, but if that fails then feel free to submit an IG or forum report.