The Police Department & You

[arkan]

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[eTaylor]

1 hour ago, Biscuit said:

Yes, here's why;

Yesterday, a "meme" was posted in the LSPD memes channel and somehow it became IC knowledge with two officers asking my character it directly? This has been forwarded as a complaint already.

It's because you guys take shit from the #memes channel and use it as IC knownledge.

Cops have NO reason to hate us, nobody can quote me one.

 Hey buddy, just a suggestion. Do you think you can keep IC things IC and OOC things OOC? If you’re suppose to be the representative for the faction you’re doing an awful job. Honestly, you guys just come across as a bunch of mixing howlers. Separate yourself from the roleplay, keep ic things ic, and ooc things ooc. 

[Ketamine Kowboy]

The faction name is group sex.

Edited December 9, 2020 by Свето

[ChromaticDeath]

I'm just seeing a lot of faction bashing from G6 here with little to no evidence provided for claims you're making.

Not only is this entirely inappropriate for a thread like this, it's inappropriate to be posted in general.

If you have complaints about the police department, that's fine. Provide proof.

Saying you think something's a certain way doesn't make it true.

[.George]

How to make your faction into even bigger meme in one simple step.

 

I thought your job was to make g6 more liked and not dislikes?

 

Self reflection is good from time to time.

[orca112]

I believe it is time for a similar fashioned thread regarding Gruppe 6 to discuss such matters and the stance of the faction itself - that is, if we can keep it civil. What I see on here is pretty much throwing mud back and forth rather than a civilised discussion, let alone completely derailing off topic.

[DomThomson]

8 hours ago, Biscuit said:

Hello! Reviving an old thread!

 

As a bit of a backstory, I am actively working as a Gruppe 6 PR Officer and have taken the task to attempt to repair relations between the LSPD and the LSSD. 

 

Recently, the LSPD (not to be confused with the LSSD) has made me literally hate my job and as a result I hate even going on my character as about 80% of the interactions I've had with LSPD Officers ended up with harassment towards me as a Gruppe 6 Member. And whilst people tell me all the time it is an "IC" issue, it simply is not.

 

Most of the rage towards Gruppe 6 is fueled by OOC information (an old video being reposted as a meme) and people simply metagame that into their own knowledge as-if they were there to recall the event and as a result, it only damages relations between Gruppe 6 and LSPD even further. It's gotten to a point where officers are plain and simple harassing us cause we respond to our client calling us onto their property which we are obligated by contract to do. And instead of the officers doing their job, they wasted 15 minutes harassing our security officers.

 

My question is simple; What do you want us to do?

 

Before you respond, here's some typical responses I get:

Stop acting like cops - Provide me with EVIDENCE of such an incident even occurring before even giving me this response, and before you accuse us, I heavily suggest actually doing a bit of research on what we do.

Disband your faction - Sure, but in return, I'd like to see an LSPD Division dedicated to providing club security, mounting security cameras, conducting Cash-in-Transit and checking properties for unlocked doors.

This is entirely an IC issue - No, no it isn't, as I quote from before: "Most of the rage towards Gruppe 6 is fueled by OOC information (an old video being reposted as a meme) and people simply metagame that into their own knowledge as-if they were there to recall the event and as a result".

Give the LSPD a nice gift :3 - Done, it ended up being thrown into a bush in front of the Police Department.

 

I'll actively be following the thread of this discussion, feel free to tag me with further questions or arguments.

Hello! Character name is John Bennett and I've been around the LSPD for roughly eight months and from my experience, I can say that most of the information on why officers are being dicks and assholes towards Gruppe Six is actually aquired through IC means. Here is how. Me personally have been involved in multiple situations with Gruppe Six being present, and most of them weren't specifically the best interactions I've had, not that the person wasn't RPing properly, but the stuff that they were doing making them seem untrained. Such as, on scene of a shooting I've had a Group Six member actively drive over and stop on casings, and when asked why the hell they were doing it, they shrugged it off; had two grouppe six vehicles arrive on a scene of a MVA which I was investigating as if they were driving code three and then out of nowhere began blocking traffic and generally just walking around, acting as my ''backup''; when I was at a scene about a fight in front of a club Groupe Six was conducting security operations at I had a Security Guard try to arrest somebody in front of me and other situations as that. Now, don't get me wrong, all of these situations are completely IC and I hold no grunt against the faction or faction leadership in any way share or form, and I don't have a reason to, but my character just simply doesn't think highly of the company, from what happened and from what he was told through IC means, such as the time Grouppe Six was in pursuit of a vehicle, etc. All of this was gained through IC means, and simply my IC character thinks that Grouppe Six is no good. And yes, there are good memes about Grouppe Six, but that's about it, the same way we have memes about our LSSD friends, and our LSSD friends have high quality memes about the LSPD. It's all IC beef, the same and much more lighter beef then between the LSPD and LSSD.

 

Now, is it possible that some people in the department gained the information through OOC means to think something about Grouppe Six? Sure, I think so, but from personal experience, I'd say it's mainly just what they were told as word gets passed around quite often as well the fact that people sometimes have bad interactions with you. And no, you shouldn't disband your action, but if you feel like it's getting to the point of being a real issue, appeal to the faction leadership through IC means, let the Internal Affairs know and stuff like that, but posting about it through OOC means is not really going to do anything, and if anything, I suggest contacting the faction leadership through private means if you still believe there is an issue about metagaming and such.

 

TL;DR - Most of the information is gained through IC means and not OOC means, speaking from personal experience with the situations involving Grouppe Six and from what was given to my character through IC means, if you still see an issue OOC, get in contact with faction leadership and try to work it out that way.

Edited December 10, 2020 by DomThomson

[Jeffreyy]

2 hours ago, Свето said:

The faction name is group sex.

😂

[zaXer.]

6 hours ago, alma said:

Not to be a asshole or something, but i am going to explain it in a pretty harsh way. the only reason G6 is failing and being made fun of is because 80% of G6 consists of females with bright colorful hair that are there for 1 reason, find a relationship with another female G6 member. And they all have experience in being a top A-grade master security guard and hand to hand combat specialist.

eeh... as Gruppe 6's faction leader, just jumping here to show this:

 

tell me where do you see "80% of G6 consists of females"

 

 

Also, 

 

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 in being a top A-grade master security guard and hand to hand combat specialist.

"

Is just a stupid argument that you just made up, because we havent even had a hand combat situation from about a year?

 

So yeah, not to be an asshole, but - throwing a bunch of fake, obviously made up crap to put dirt to someone's name is not cool! 😉

 

Edited December 10, 2020 by zaXer.

[Pandamei]

I don't see why it's so hard to understand why a glorified security company isn't taken so seriously IC. Don't even act like it is mainly a GTA World problem. It would be one of the hardest tasks in existence to find somebody that respects security officers. From the public eye you just seem like Rent-A-Cops and that's literally the same outlook that people have in the real world. 

 

As a person that isn't in a legal faction, hasn't had direct interaction IC, and hasn't meme'd it from an OOC standpoint, this topic on an already public thread for the LSPD is doing you no favors to fix your reputation. If your general issue was how you were treated from an OOC standpoint, then why would you go out of your way to practically faction bash another faction when you complain about the same problem yourself? It's just adding fuel to the fire.

A general solution to your problem is fixing your issue from an IC standpoint, not an OOC one. Think about it like this, your reputation was plummeted due to actions that were committed IC, so why does it not make sense to right these wrongs IC? Instead of getting salty that somebody made fun of you, grow some thick skin and take it as constructive criticism. If nobody truly cared, then they wouldn't have bothered to even comment on your arguably childish outburst.

 

Solutions I would recommend for your issue? Start an ad campaign, try to spread a new message of what the company is about. It is marketing 101, if you complain that people perceive you as people with dyed hair using the term "security officer" as an excuse to obtain a PF, then actively advertise that isn't the case. Enforce stricter policies like SD and PD do, everything from general appearance to character background. PD and SD require fleshed out character stories and do asset checks to make sure your character is up to standards and realistic. PD and SD look like actual officers, everything down to the haircuts to overused oakleys. There is a reason that PD and SD are upheld to a higher standard, so use that image as a guide. Start advertising more on FaceBrowser and do more with the community. Also remember your place, you are a private security agency, not Seal Team Six. Act like a normal human, you don't have as much power as actual law enforcement so take that consideration and be more laid back. Stick to your place like protecting private properties and protecting set people. You aren't public servants, you are private servants so keep it that way. 

 

All and all, your complaining in a LSPD topic isn't going to help your case. Next time you want a discussion like this, go to the discussion tab. 

Edited December 10, 2020 by Pandamei
typo - "commit" to "comment"