The problem of money being both IC And OOC

[cruelhoney]

#MakeBlipsFree

[sCrax]

At least make the blips/ads a separate package so I don't have to waste $25 for a fucking blip just because I want to own a business.

Edited May 27, 2022 by sCrax

[Alyssa McCarthy]

14 hours ago, pateuvasiliu said:

They will be if you start taxing people who own multiple houses properly. But right now there's nothing stopping someone from owning 10 and flipping more properties for profit, or giving them out for rent at ridiculous prices. Since there's no huge tax for doing it, they can afford to wait.

 

For every new player there's someone with 1 million getting banned or quitting or being CKed. It's not as big an issue as you think it is, and it's unfixable because new players SHOULD get their 200k so they can buy a car and a house and not RP being homeless.

 

My solution is realistic. PM -CAN- limit the amount properties sell for. They already do for apartments, but not for houses ( for reasons ). If you take the money from new players you make their experience shit.

 

 

If you want a house for cheap, put in a housing request with PM. There are plenty available.

 

We're playing in a setting based on capitalist America, not communist China.

 

Letting the IG market determine the price and value of houses is precisely the right thing to do. 

 

Buying a house from another person is IC and it should ICly be up to the buyer and seller to agree a price.

 

It should not be influenced OOCly by entitled players upset that they've not yet secured the funds to afford the asking price.

 

 

[StiffChocl8]

#makeblipsfree

[RedRover]

15 minutes ago, Alyssa McCarthy said:

 

 

If you want a house for cheap, put in a housing request with PM. There are plenty available.

 

We're playing in a setting based on capitalist America, not communist China.

 

Letting the IG market determine the price and value of houses is precisely the right thing to do. 

 

Buying a house from another person is IC and it should ICly be up to the buyer and seller to agree a price.

 

It should not be influenced OOCly by entitled players upset that they've not yet secured the funds to afford the asking price.

 

 

Technically, America is a mixed economy, based on capitalism and socialism. Government intervention is an accepted practice for the good of the overall economy. The issue with your view is that there are a myriad of factors that influence people’s spending in a real economy. We have none of those factors here besides what people are willing to pay. This is precisely what’s wrong with our internal economy, not what we’re doing right. Sometimes intervention is needed for the good of the server. House prices should not be so high that it requires to work a second life job 40 hours a week in order to achieve. This is not a career/second life simulator.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Brofessor

[Alyssa McCarthy]

That's just a strawman point because houses don't require a 40 hour / week IG playtime.

 

Only properties in extremely high demand sell for so much and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

There are plenty of properties which sell for far less.

 

There are only so many ultra sought after properties on the map and unfortunately, not everyone - no matter how entitled they feel, can have one.

[RedRover]

3 minutes ago, Alyssa McCarthy said:

That's just a strawman point because houses don't require a 40 hour / week IG playtime.

 

Only properties in extremely high demand sell for so much and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

There are plenty of properties which sell for far less.

 

There are only so many ultra sought after properties on the map and unfortunately, not everyone - no matter how entitled they feel, can have one.

Dude give me a break. Houses in Davis shouldn’t be selling for over half a million. You want me to take that IC? Houses in the GHETTO selling for that? Don’t be ridiculous. The system is broken. 

Edited May 27, 2022 by Brofessor

[Alyssa McCarthy]

Compton is not a cheap to buy a house IRL. Pretty much all there RL equivalents sell for > 500k and I can assure you that people living there are not paid $500 / hour for being unemployed.

 

https://www.homes.com/compton-ca/compton-neighborhood/homes-for-sale/?gclid=CjwKCAjw7cGUBhA9EiwArBAvokckb8dX7BTYuYE8UcvtAuo29GxAjE9rwkZ_Syln5YJ1uMHnknt0EBoCKbwQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

If your argument is that non gang/Davis RPers are buying up Davis property to flip for profit, then that's probably a different type of complaint and something I'd find common ground with you - if folk are still doing that, then RPQM / PM I'm sure will help there.
 

[sparky]

The issue with money being OOC reaches the full loop here.

 

Players who RP in poorer areas don't have any IC money and gaining a lot of money ICly to buy a house they'd realistically already be living in. A perosn RPing in Davis won't earn scriptwise money at the same rate as someone in a legal faction or business or whatever. The players who don't chase scriptwise money (not that there's anything wrong with it) end up struggling and can't afford a property they'd actively RP in

 

[Lurleen]

On 5/26/2022 at 9:08 AM, hentai! said:

The issue currently is that giving the server OOC money makes it easier to get IC money. This hinders player experience for masses who do not want to be bartenders, cops, managers and advertisers.

I think this is the key of the issue. Ideally, IC things should be paid with IC money (business advertisement for example) and OOC things (namechange, extra clothes slots, extra character slot, etc) with OOC money.  If IC money was purely ICly, like no easy ways of getting rich using irl money, losing it when your character dies, etc, it'd solve plenty of the servers economical problems.

A lot of people say, money is not important, it's just a number on the screen, I can RP poor while having millions on me. I think that takes out some of the fun of the game. It's like playing a shooting game and missing some shots in purpose to make a more challenging and realistic experience. 

Edited May 27, 2022 by Lurleen