Character Design & Hiding behind Offensive Roleplay Rules

[Lurleen]

I dont think that rping a mutilated person should be allowed. It can make third parties feel uncomfortable. This is a game after all, we dont rp things like rape, or covid for example, there's no need to RP those kind of things.

 

The post talked about prostitution and fetish RP, but third parties arent affected for such things. You can RP the biggest fetishes but once the RP is done there arent consequences about them. Rape RP, or amputations involve other parties that can feel unfonfortable about it. 

 

For the same reason we dont take IC war conflicts that happen irl. imagine having a family member or friend who is disabled and then seeing people in game RP that? Itd make them feel bad about it.

[SCANDALOUZ]

5 minutes ago, Engelbert said:

I don't think I misunderstood anything. I only said you chose not really good comparison. Yes in realistic settings it should work, but is this a realistic setting? When teens pull guns at cops, for simply being cops and god forbid they dare to stop a couple of teens to ask them questions.

Same guys then complain why they were shot, they were only teens. I see what you wanted to say and yes, people should accept consequences, but the comparison with the rape happens very often, especially in big countries and it is only natural people feel disgusted if someone even asks them about it. In my line for work, I seen many things and trust me, nothing beats the cringe of a crying prostitute and cops not believing her, nothing. Not even a murder.

 

Do we not /strive/ to be a realistic setting however? I think we should, and I agree that the examples you pointed as ig events are also 'bad'.

[Engelbert]

The conclusion is, that people are not willing to roleplay some things, that could hinder their progression or roleplay.

Because honestly, if you lose your hand or a leg or both, would you wanna roleplay such character? I can say, that many people won't.I actually roleplay a rape victim, which happened long before said rule was even here. I could have retconned it or voided it, but no I did not. The thing is, there is no need for graphic content, you can always F2B, but accept the consequences. That's what it's about.

Edited June 30, 2021 by Engelbert

[SCANDALOUZ]

8 minutes ago, Lurleen said:

I dont think that rping a mutilated person should be allowed. It can make third parties feel uncomfortable. This is a game after all, we dont rp things like rape, or covid for example, there's no need to RP those kind of things.

 

The post talked about prostitution and fetish RP, but third parties arent affected for such things. You can RP the biggest fetishes but once the RP is done there arent consequences about them. Rape RP, or amputations involve other parties that can feel unfonfortable about it. 

 

For the same reason we dont take IC war conflicts that happen irl. imagine having a family member or friend who is disabled and then seeing people in game RP that? Itd make them feel bad about it.

I think the excuse of this being a game doesn't exactly apply given how niche and different role playing is in comparison to 'games'.

 

I also think that 90% of cases (take this BS statistic with a grain of salt) take advantage of a rule loophole thanks to fake sensitivity in order to be in the end, sub-par, and just because they don't want to take an L, more than anything else.

Edited June 30, 2021 by SCANDALOUZ

[lux]

Just now, Engelbert said:

The conclusion is, that people are not willing to roleplay some things, that could hinder their progression or roleplay.

Because honestly, if you lose your hand or a leg or both, would you wanna roleplay such character? I can say, that many people won't.I actually roleplay a rape victim, which happened long before said rule was even here. I could have retconned it or voided it, but no I did not. The thing is, there is no need for graphic content, you can always F2B, but accept the consequences. That's what it's about.

 

Basically this. People will just CK a character to avoid roleplaying something like a major injury/mutilation because it's just not fun for most people.

 

I think the current ruleset works for everyone.

[Engelbert]

Just now, SCANDALOUZ said:

 

Do we not /strive/ to be a realistic setting however? I think we should, and I agree that the examples you pointed as ig events are also 'bad'.

We do indeed. As I said above, I rp a rape victim after all. The problem is, that...how to put...let me use my character for example. A cocaine addicted porn actress who has had many chances including people willing to help her get better, seek rehab, quit porn and overall have better life.

I roleplayed trying, but in the end I sat down and..."I like rping a victimized character and a drug addict, maybe I am a drama queen, but I want this to carry on bit further." This was my reasoning, for not changing the roleplay. Now losing a limb, is a change in one's roleplay and that's also an answer why not many people are willing to go with it. 🙂

[SCANDALOUZ]

1 minute ago, Engelbert said:

We do indeed. As I said above, I rp a rape victim after all. The problem is, that...how to put...let me use my character for example. A cocaine addicted porn actress who has had many chances including people willing to help her get better, seek rehab, quit porn and overall have better life.

I roleplayed trying, but in the end I sat down and..."I like rping a victimized character and a drug addict, maybe I am a drama queen, but I want this to carry on bit further." This was my reasoning, for not changing the roleplay. Now losing a limb, is a change in one's roleplay and that's also an answer why not many people are willing to go with it. 🙂

 

1) I think role play should be fun for being role play, one of quality and one realistic for the environment/setting it tries to portray.

 

2) It shouldn't only be fun when things are going your way and/or you can do your railroaded progression storyline unaffected by external factors, unless you chose to be.

 

I think role play quality suffer because many people consider consider role play good when it's 2) and not 1). And I think that's wrong.

[Lurleen]

3 minutes ago, SCANDALOUZ said:

I think the excuse of this being a game doesn't exactly apply given how niche and different role playing is in comparison to 'games'.

 

I also think that 90% of cases (take this BS statistic with a grain of salt) take advantage of a rule loophole thanks to fake sensitivity in order to be in the end, sub-par.

My point is, those kind of RP shouldnt exist, why on earth would someone want to RP mutilating someone? You can RP beating someone up, or murduring them, but I dont think torture RP should be allowed. 

[SCANDALOUZ]

3 minutes ago, Lurleen said:

My point is, those kind of RP shouldnt exist, why on earth would someone want to RP mutilating someone? You can RP beating someone up, or murduring them, but I dont think torture RP should be allowed. 

Humans are very complex and so is the brain and its functions. There's... Levels to cruelty. Maybe a character would prefer for someone to live in misery as opposed to have them just take the easy way out (death)?

 

If the victim doesn't want to keep on afterwards with the character, so be it, but you shouldn't do actions and then avoid the consequences of such actions on the basis of fake sensitivity and with the help of an ooc loophole.

 

So you're having fun murdering children, but all of a sudden you ain't when you're missing hands?

 

Edited June 30, 2021 by SCANDALOUZ

[Lurleen]

3 minutes ago, SCANDALOUZ said:

Humans are very complex and so is the brain and its functions. There's... Levels to cruelty. Maybe a character would prefer for someone to live in misery as opposed to have them just take the easy way out (death)?

 

If the victim doesn't want to keep on afterwards with the character, so be it, but you shouldn't do actions and then avoid the consequences of such actions on the basis of fake sensitivity and with the help of an ooc loophole.

 

So you're having fun murdering children, but all of a sudden you ain't when you're missing hands?

 

Problem would be solved if those kind of RP werent allowed in the first place. Why would someone have fun RPing murdering children as you said? Rping wanting someone to live in missery? theres no need to recreate such things in game. People suffer for those things irl, thats why we dont have covid, wars or rape here.