The State of Robbery RP: Low effort, High gains

[Y3]

the fact robbery interaction is often devoid of emotion or character is strictly the limitation of this being a text roleplay server. the sense of urgency is then translated to an ooc level rather than ic, where emotionless emotes are offered out to make the rp as quick as possible due to ooc stress. that’s how it has to be, lest they wish to get caught.
 

the more effort you put into your robbery emotes, the longer it will overall take. the longer it takes, the more likely you are to get caught. it’s a difficult equation, balancing out what gets results, versus what is proper character portrayal.

 

police are able to arrive and act on scene immediately, often not requiring an emote until after the fact. the robbers must offer their own written emotes, and patiently await the written emotes from the victim party. this doesn’t mean the police are wrong, it’s just merely the reality of text roleplay. 

 

for as long as this is the case, there will always be the struggle of the what to prioritize in the argument of results versus portrayal.

[Smilesville]

5 minutes ago, Henning said:

Drugs don't bring in money, illegal gambling doesn't bring in money, fraud rarely is achievable and basically every other illegal racket isn't monetizable, people only do it for the RP. Don't get me wrong, people should be doing thing for RP but let's be honest, the motive for crime is money and if there's only 1 or 2 ways to make money as a criminal on the server, people are going to choose to stick a gun in your face instead of pretending their making money selling drugs.

Drugs are a lost cause, and could never be the cash cow they are IRL on the server by statistics.

 

Illegal gambling, on the other hand? We could crush two birds with one stone by allowing things like marked decks and other chance manipulation devices to flow into the game - maybe then people would be a little hesitant about betting a million dollars in a casual poker game.

 

I had a ball defrauding the government grant for business startups with creative accounting too, but that's gone so far as I'm aware.

 

I don't know what happened to the suggestions regarding fake ID's and card scanners, but those would inject some variety as well.

[therealmieky]

definitely stupid that gangbangers from rancho come up to vinewood, paleto bay just to obtain pf guns

[Trupiano]

1 minute ago, Smilesville said:

Drugs are a lost cause, and could never be the cash cow they are IRL on the server by statistics.

Frankly, then you just gotta deal with Robberies chief because if drugs are lost cause so is robberies getting better from their current form@Y3 put it best:

 

7 minutes ago, Y3 said:

the fact robbery interaction is often devoid of emotion or character is strictly the limitation of this being a text roleplay server. the sense of urgency is then translated to an ooc level rather than ic, where emotionless emotes are offered out to make the rp as quick as possible due to ooc stress. that’s how it has to be, lest they wish to get caught.
 

the more effort you put into your robbery emotes, the longer it will overall take. the longer it takes, the more likely you are to get caught. it’s a difficult equation, balancing out what gets results, versus what is proper character portrayal.

 

police are able to arrive and act on scene immediately, often not requiring an emote until after the fact. the robbers must offer their own written emotes, and patiently await the written emotes from the victim party. this doesn’t mean the police are wrong, it’s just merely the reality of text roleplay. 

 

for as long as this is the case, there will always be the struggle of the what to prioritize in the argument of results versus portrayal.

We could do things like limiting police patrols or response times/numbers but lets be honest that'll never happen because we'd never agree on that. Really the only way to make robbery RP better as a whole is to give people other options. 

 

6 minutes ago, Smilesville said:

Illegal gambling, on the other hand? We could crush two birds with one stone by allowing things like marked decks and other chance manipulation devices to flow into the game - maybe then people would be a little hesitant about betting a million dollars in a casual poker game.

This isn't at all the issue with illegal gambling and why it isn't profitable. Gambling itself is actually super profitable, hence why most of the casino's on the server are run by organized crime groups. The issue is there's no incentives to gambling illegally in back room or underground casinos. Majority of the time there is at least one casino or card room open legally, normally more. We have legislation to curb this but it's utilized in a way to always allows enough casino's to fill the servers demand. Well, it doesn't take too long to realize if everyone can just got to a legally operated casino they'll rarely if ever going to participate in illegal games. 

 

12 minutes ago, Smilesville said:

I don't know what happened to the suggestions regarding fake ID's and card scanners, but those would inject some variety as well.

Fake ID's were actually a pretty nice idea when they were originally first allowed to be monetized, same with skimming devices. The simplest way to explain it is if you wanted to do either you had to reach out to staff with your plan, outline the understanding of the subject and if approved they would reward you money based on whatever RP you were able to create with that "device" in a given month. At one point if I'm remembering correctly there was only 1 person making server recognized fake ID's that had to be taken as real IC. But just like skimmers very quickly everyone started doing it, some with approval some without and eventually it just unraveled into a racket that every faction was doing with very little oversight.

 

Regardless however, fake ID's just like your other suggestions don't help Illegal RPers. Everything you've suggested, it's cool I guess but like I said it doesn't help illegal RPers. It just doesn't man and I'd really wish you'd stop for a moment and just listen to us openly because people on this website have been trying to tell you this for a fucking year. 

[KinnyWynny]

honestly the fact that the robberies themselves are kinda forgettable is kind of my issue with them. I don't have one memory of a robbery besides a vague notion that I had my wallet and phone robbed.

 

otherwise, as long as I'm not being DMed afterwards, robberies aren't that big of a deal. sure losing the phone is annoying, and ICly it's traumatizing, but honestly considering the nature of illegal RP, this is the one L i think everyone should be fine with. I mean what else can they do? rob your house? hah. easy way to get arrested in under a minute.

Edited May 7, 2021 by KinnyWynny

[Sixty]

Could be my lack of experience on the illegal front or just plain bad luck, but every time I tried to buy drugs as a character neither legal or illegal, I was either forced into an attempted robbery or a "24 hours later we found him and robbed him of the drugs and money" situation. If there were illegal factions out there more willing to open the gates to legitimate deals rather than scams, I'd be more open to such activities. I'd be happy to go down that road to create RP opportunities for more than just myself in order to write that story. Call it OOC if you'd like, but I call it like I see it. Robbery in most cases is plain stupid on this server and unfortunately it comes down to reporting the bad apples and hoping for the right outcome. There are great illegal RP'ers here and unfortunately the bad apples are often the loudest, leaving a bad taste in people's mouths. This is also a two way street. Legal RP'ers can be just as good and just as awful. It's a really bad cycle and I'm not sure what can break it at this point.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Sixty

[casanovaa22]

2 hours ago, ChromaticDeath said:

main character that's robbed constantly

Its because you LOOK like a target you drive a car like that EXPECT to be robbed.... You had many time to realize you were being robbed the car SWERVES infront of your car and you just stood there IN A DARK ALLEYWAY. Its not like it was in the middle of the road IT WAS OUT OF PUBLIC EYES ( Imgur: The magic of the Internet ) You can clearly could've gotten away wayy before you were just slow its your fault.

we had an admin discuss this in the situation you broke more rules possible to make this robbery go stressful for me. You powergamed /sms and sendlocation which ITS ODD THAT YOU DIDNT MENTION THAT. I find it really off that when you were getting robbed you said "Fine let her out" YOUVE BEEN ROBBED MANY TIMES why would you say that? You have a gun to your face and you think the robber was just there for the girl? Then the robber REALIZES THAT YOU'RE TAKING YES YOU are taking more time than usual with a gun to your face (You even lock your door after when I /vdoor and during that I /b TO NOTIFY YOU THAT I OPEN THE DOOR! AND THEN SAY THAT ITS A 1.1 BUG) Your friend was a perfect example for what to do during a robbery in your case. Us ROBBERS feel more distress in these situation as there's MANY WAYYY MANY PEOPLE who break gun point and disregards their life during a robbery and you can see my forum account I CAN PROIVED PROOF. So far I'm still waiting for proofs you haven't shown during the admin situation you said that you "Rply have the gun in the back of your waistline" You can see a /me which isn't perfect but says that you've been patted around the waistline. 

 

waist·line

/ˈwās(t)ˌlīn/

noun

1. an imaginary line around a person's body at the waist, especially with respect to its size.

   "eliminating inches from the waistline"

   • the shaping and position of the waist of a garment.

      

     And then you changed saying that you keep a 

      

     Its really crazy how you then said you kept your glock on the back pocket which is completely unrealistic due to the size of the gun

      

2 hours ago, ChromaticDeath said:

Legal RPer gets fed up with "low effort" robbers and starts gassing them. Illegal RPer gets fed up with getting gassed and starts doing super quick /mes or none at all, extend, ruin, repeat."

Yes, this is probably the only argument I tend to believe because it was said during the admin situation. But then again it was your fault to put me in that state you give me shit roleplay you get it back you've stressed me who robbed you in that situation far more than any1 I have robbed I have never experience some1 who did what you did. You powergamed, texted and did not roleplay either I was willing to get an admin record for not properly roleplaying to get you punished badly but then I thought to myself it was really selfish as it was early in the morning and disregard it. AND DONT EVEN MENTION "LOW EFFORT" I WAS following and stalking you for a solid 15 minutes! You haven't realized you were followed BECAUSE YOU DONT GET ROBBED. You're lying about multiple things just to show that you're innocent which I find that petty as hell. I do agree some robbers are breaking the rule too nobody is perfect both side tend not to. But how you REACT makes us ANXIOUS making us ANXIOUS and you failing to comply and do these things make us do low effort THE PM (Give me your phone) Where would you have put your phone when you LITERALLY PULLED YOUR PHONE OUT AND TEXTED INFRONT OF ME. THATS WHY THE PM WAS MADE because THE ROBBER SAW YOUR PHONE HE WOULD KNOw WHERE YOU PUT IT. This situation specific situation shouldn't be targeted against me as if you're an angel you get what you deserve you wrote a whole book about it even when you seemed completely fine during the admin situation. He told you exactly what you did wrong and what I did wrong which I KNEW. I knew that you can't force someone to showitems but then again WHEN YOU DONT YOU CAN PG STUFF ASWELL. I asked you specifically cause of the phone you didn't give me and I knew you had a weapon waiting so if I turn my back you will kill me. 

[ChromaticDeath]

Just now, casanovaa22 said:

 

this thread isn't about you, sorry you almost lost your tec9 but nice job outing yourself as the person i blacked out in the screenshots 🙂

[casanovaa22]

7 minutes ago, ChromaticDeath said:

this thread isn't about you

It isn't about me but the screenshot you provided aren't explained properly you say you have been robbed many times you clearly haven't since you can see in the imgur if a car pulls up to you like this it was your fault you got caught up and then tell your friend "Fine, fine I'll let her go". AS if I was there to rob her only.... You dont need to be hiding in houses to stay away I specifically attacked when the moment was right when you entered that alleyway. Those screenshots are taken out of text people need to know the real reason why I said those things because it goes both way you MADE me react like this.

[.Pluto.]

High gains? lol