Two factions, SAME CHARACTER

[Martyn]

35 minutes ago, CrisisGG said:

It’s not an argument, it’s my opinion, which I’m entitled to have! So it’s a no because I can see it getting abused, but thanks for your input.

 

Lets remove all the vehicles from the server because it could be used for VDM. This argument is extremely silly and it's disrespectful to come with these type of things in a thread where someone posts a very reasonable suggestion. It's even more disrespectful to disregard anyone's counter arguments with "It's my opinion and it can't be changed, deal with it". You're not contributing to the discussion and you're just sabotaging something that could potentially enhance the roleplay for so many people. 

 

Thanks for your non existent input, this suggestion is actually great and I hope to see it implemented sooner rather than later.

Edited April 16, 2021 by Martyn

[CrisisGG]

1 minute ago, Martyn said:

 

Lets remove all the vehicles from the server because it could be used for VDM. This argument is extremely silly and it's disrespectful to come with these type of things in a thread where someone posts a very reasonable suggestion. It's even more disrespectful to disregard anyone's counter arguments with "It's my opinion and it can't be changed, deal with it". You're not contributing to the discussion and you're just sabotaging something that could potentially enhance the roleplay for so many people. 

 

Thanks for your non existent input, this suggestion is actually great. 

That’s a very childish response on your behalf.
 

I can see the suggestion being abused by people with conflicting interests with two separate factions, which is the reason I disagree with it being added.

 

I’d sooner you not nitpick at my concerns as I’m trying to show two sides of the coin, however, with you inciting an argument, I’d say your input is actually less useful than mine. 

[Martyn]

Just now, CrisisGG said:

That’s a very childish response on your behalf.
 

I can see the suggestion being abused by people with conflicting interests with two separate factions, which is the reason I disagree with it being added.

 

I’d sooner you not nitpick at my concerns as I’m trying to show two sides of the coin, however, with you inciting an argument, I’d say your input is actually less useful than mine. 

 

The so called abuse you speak of would be entirely IC and would be dealt with ICly. Any OOC abuse, much like ANY OTHER ABUSE can be handled by reporting players. Admins are here for a reason. I'm nitpicking your concerns because you're throwing around baseless "opinions" in an attempt to sabotage a suggestion that'll provide a lot of roleplay opportunities for a lot of people. I've actually contributed to this discussion in my previous post by outlining an example and the reason why this would be good. I could go to every suggestion on this forum and say in my opinion it could be abused. It's extremely disrespectful and I highly encourage you to reconsider the way you present yourself. Calling me childish for calling you out on something is the pinnacle of hypocricy. 

[CrisisGG]

Just now, Martyn said:

 

The so called abuse you speak of would be entirely IC and would be dealt with ICly. Any OOC abuse, much like ANY OTHER ABUSE can be handled by reporting players. Admins are here for a reason. I'm nitpicking your concerns because you're throwing around baseless "opinions" in an attempt to sabotage a suggestion that'll provide a lot of roleplay opportunities for a lot of people. I've actually contributed to this discussion in my previous post by outlining an example and the reason why this would be good. I could go to every suggestion on this forum and say in my opinion it could be abused. It's extremely disrespectful and I highly encourage you to reconsider the way you present yourself. Calling me childish for calling you out on something is the pinnacle of hypocricy. 

You keep going, don’t you? Are you looking for the last post to try and boost your ego? You can have it if you want, regardless of the outcome, my opinion is still one that I’m allowed to have and have expressed it on this thread, you’re derailing the topic if anything, but if it helps you sleep at night, you go ahead buddy. I’m afraid that I’m relatively stubborn, so if your replies are an attempt to persuade me otherwise then you might be trying for a good while, if they’re just to ‘shun’ me for having thoughts of my own, I think you should also consider reevaluating your mannerisms.

[Engelbert]

This only makes sense for criminals mostly and there are many reasons for it. 

[MrsHamster]

I highly agree to this suggestion. I think the current faction script is limiting a lot of players of RPing in two places at the same time, even if it makes sense for them to do so ICly. It limits the players to RP only with the same circle of people and not evolve their character outside of it. 

I encounter this struggle daily as the owner of Hope Health Group.

- We have so many volunteers that want to be part of the faction, but can't because they're already in another one (FD, PD, SD, City, illegal factions, and so on...). 

- As a private clinic we have Doctors and Specialists that want to work both in a public hospital (PHMC) and a private clinic, something that Doctors IRL do all the time.

 - Members of the OOC Mapping faction that can't join any other faction to RP in. 

 

It's a struggle now because they can't do it scriptwise. Even if they RP working at the same time while scriptwisely only in one faction - They have limited access to the script, they can't access properties or it's inventory like the faction members do (something that is essential in our field of RP at least and I am sure we're not the only ones). It requires the need to divide our staff to faction and non faction members, create two vehicle garages, struggle with trying to find other ways to give the non-faction staff members the access they need to RP. For example making volunteers "Supervisors" with the business script because it's the ONLY way to let them access property inventory if they're not faction members, which gives them access to commands that we not necessarily want them to have - but have no other choice. Not to mention that the non-faction staff have no access to /f and stay out of the OOC communications that are essential for a good RP environment and good relationship between the faction members. 

 

I know for a fact that my faction is not the only one that would benefit from this change. Like the original suggestion stated - members of legal and illegal organizations want to be part of their group (MC, Mafia, main business) while maintaining a "legal" front or just a second job and they can't do it because of the script. A script issue shouldn't block IC development from happening. 

 

Regarding the window for abuse - every new script has a window for abuse. People will always find a way to use the script and bend the rules for their benefit, but this is what we're here for. Every script can be abused and we in the staff team exist to look over it and prevent that from happening. This script addition will be no different than any other script that already exists on the server. 

[Yoak]

I feel like this is something faction management should look at and if they were to approve such thing then it should be application based with a full somewhat background check to make sure the person joining two factions won't/can't abuse said powers. Overall I think it would make for good roleplay but there will always be people who'll abuse things like this. It'd need to be contained and done properly.

[Tennplugg]

+1

[CrisisGG]

12 minutes ago, Yoak said:

I feel like this is something faction management should look at and if they were to approve such thing then it should be application based with a full somewhat background check to make sure the person joining two factions won't/can't abuse said powers. Overall I think it would make for good roleplay but there will always be people who'll abuse things like this. It'd need to be contained and done properly.

I’d upvote if I could but I’m out for the day, I think this approach could work if it’s maintained in a way that needs approval beforehand, it can be monitored a little easier if it requires an application prior and should dissuade abuse.

[Zayyy]

Cool.. but people are going to abuse it. So, not really needed.