The Police Department & You

[Biscuit]

1 hour ago, thutl said:

If it's frowned upon or otherwise against the rules for a criminal to risk their life or commit additional crime when they own multiple assets and several hundred thousand dollars, why does the same not apply to police officers who are still working as police, running into dangerous shootouts, and risking their lives fighting gangs and criminals when they already possess enough assets to have 'made it' and should no longer be working a dangerous job?

To all my knowledge police officers' assets are strictly moderated and undergo strict background check before and even after the application. The same applies for all legal factions.

 

And of course, since there's a sea of fish where it's hard to spot the bad one, you are always entitled to a report.

[thutl]

6 minutes ago, SugarDavis said:

In the defense of PD, which I am not and have never been a member of, it is very easy to build a massive amount of wealth when the game has very little money sinks. In real life you have taxes, the cost of utilities, feeding and clothing yourself, debt, etc. This server has basically none of that. 

It's just as easy for a criminal player to build a massive amount of wealth because of how the game works. However, for criminals, it seems as though after you've amassed a certain amount of this wealth, you're no longer allowed to participate in the fun stuff - as opposed to police, who are allowed to continue to participate in action and put their lives on the line despite having a comfortable amount of money or assets, and realistically should not be risking their lives when they've already 'made it'.

 

6 minutes ago, Biscuit said:

To all my knowledge police officers' assets are strictly moderated and undergo strict background check before and even after the application. The same applies for all legal factions.

 

And of course, since there's a sea of fish where it's hard to spot the bad one, you are always entitled to a report.

Just as an example, here's a video of a police officer driving into what essentially looks and sounds like a war zone with all of the shooting, and they then directly engage a shooter. In the top right corner, you can see that they have $700,000, and it's safe to assume they have a nice house, and maybe a nice car or two too. They even have $4,000 on hand. If this person has this wealth, why are they still inserting themselves into dangerous situations where they could die and lose it all? If this guy was a criminal instead of a police officer, and they were running around and risking their life like this with this much money, they'd be immediately criticized by an admin, and probably punished.

 

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I actually have no issue with the officer doing this at all. I think it's fine that he's doing it - because this is a game, and the action is the fun part of playing any game. I guess my issue is with the stance of admins on criminals and assets, and how it seems that after a criminal player has a certain amount of money or assets, they're no longer allowed to participate in criminal activity (which is the activity that makes them money, just like how police responding to crime is the activity that makes them money). Pretty much, it seems like criminals are capped from doing anything that's actually fun after they've reached a certain point, but police can still engage in the same risky behavior with no flak from admins.

 

[Biscuit]

1 minute ago, thutl said:

Just as an example, here's a video of a police officer driving into what essentially looks and sounds like a war zone with all of the shooting, and they then directly engage a shooter. In the top right corner, you can see that they have $700,000, and it's safe to assume they have a nice house, and maybe a nice car or two too. They even have $4,000 on hand. If this person has this wealth, why are they still inserting themselves into dangerous situations where they could die and lose it all? If this guy was a criminal instead of a police officer, and they were running around and risking their life like this with this much money, they'd be immediately criticized by an admin, and probably punished.

Ah, I know where the confusion here is.

 

The reason the officer has that much money in their account is cause they have to balance their assets, as I've stated, they're strictly moderated when it comes to their assets. So your assumption is incorrect, they still have to portray their character realistically like everyone else in the faction. There are officers that have 2 mil, I even saw someone with 5 mil in their bank, but that money has the exact same meaning as-if they were to /charity all the money away at any point.

 

So although they have that much money, they can't just go all out and go on a spending spree in casinos or poker tables. Usually people roleplay that that money goes into pension funds, health insurance, work bills and so on and so fourth.

[thutl]

4 minutes ago, Biscuit said:

Ah, I know where the confusion here is.

 

The reason the officer has that much money in their account is cause they have to balance their assets, as I've stated, they're strictly moderated when it comes to their assets. So your assumption is incorrect, they still have to portray their character realistically like everyone else in the faction. There are officers that have 2 mil, I even saw someone with 5 mil in their bank, but that money has the exact same meaning as-if they were to /charity all the money away at any point.

 

So although they have that much money, they can't just go all out and go on a spending spree in casinos or poker tables. Usually people roleplay that that money goes into pension funds, health insurance, work bills and so on and so fourth.

Are criminal players allowed to do the same thing? For example, if someone wanted to continue to enjoy the fun and action of engaging in criminal activity as a lowly good-for-nothing criminal or gang member, but had hundreds of thousands or even millions in their bank account, would they just have to liquidate a majority of their physical assets (vehicles, properties), only own a dumpy apartment, only drive a dumpy car, and then just pretend that they do not have all of that money in their bank account?

 

I've seen admins question robberies or other acts of crime before, and they ask the person about the money in their bank account and why they are doing that if they have all that money already. I'd like to know if criminals are allowed to do the same thing - have all that money in their account, but just essentially pretend like it doesn't exist, and only own a very cheap car or house to match their portrayal of someone who has no money and is willing to commit crime to make money.

[Cocaine Capital]

16 minutes ago, Biscuit said:

Ah, I know where the confusion here is.

 

The reason the officer has that much money in their account is cause they have to balance their assets, as I've stated, they're strictly moderated when it comes to their assets. So your assumption is incorrect, they still have to portray their character realistically like everyone else in the faction. There are officers that have 2 mil, I even saw someone with 5 mil in their bank, but that money has the exact same meaning as-if they were to /charity all the money away at any point.

 

So although they have that much money, they can't just go all out and go on a spending spree in casinos or poker tables. Usually people roleplay that that money goes into pension funds, health insurance, work bills and so on and so fourth.

yes, but the thing is. They have it in their account. But if an illegal role player has that much in their account they get chastised unless they’re a kingpin. 

[orca112]

13 minutes ago, thutl said:

I've seen admins question robberies or other acts of crime before, and they ask the person about the money in their bank account and why they are doing that if they have all that money already. I'd like to know if criminals are allowed to do the same thing - have all that money in their account, but just essentially pretend like it doesn't exist, and only own a very cheap car or house to match their portrayal of someone who has no money and is willing to commit crime to make money.

For all I know, robberies and the likes are often questioned because of a persons physical assets rather than the number on the top right corner of their screen. Situations like "your character owns this and that vehicle / house / property, why would they need to do robberies?" come to mind. Rulings around the money on bank, I have yet to see and included in the actual server rules.

 

At the end of the day it comes down to the portayal of the character and consistency - if you roleplay a certain wealth, your character doesn't suddenly have X dollars and goes on a shopping spree for expensive cars just because the number on the top right corner of your screen is high. This is applied on any character within Law Enforcement and regularly monitored to ensure proper portrayal as such character in which one owns a generic middle-class vehicle and apartment or house if their paycheck allows it. Any money unused beyond that accumulates over time, but cannot be used realistically.

[SULLI]

19 minutes ago, Cocaine Capital said:

yes, but the thing is. They have it in their account. But if an illegal role player has that much in their account they get chastised unless they’re a kingpin. 

I think it's allowed on a criminal character, if they make sure it's known those assets aren't being RP'd by that character, however if it's not and the case is that they are being told to /charity it all, then I agree it should be the same for LEO's and FIRE etc. Can't let one side do it and not the other, that'd be unfair. 

 

EDIT, back on track. PD rules! Totally not biased. 

Edited June 6, 2021 by SULLI
Missed the point of the thread in my answer. >.>

[Mitch]

sry for bump

 

Who is currently running the LSPD Civilian Recruitment? I attempted to contact the CO on the PD forums but haven't heard back in ages, wanted to ask whats up with that. (They haven't logged into their account in a while either, unsure if on LOA?)

[luna~]

On 6/21/2021 at 6:39 PM, Mitch said:

sry for bump

 

Who is currently running the LSPD Civilian Recruitment? I attempted to contact the CO on the PD forums but haven't heard back in ages, wanted to ask whats up with that. (They haven't logged into their account in a while either, unsure if on LOA?)

The current OIC of Civilian Employment is Kathleen Adams on our forums. However I am personally over all civilian employees within PD if you wish to speak about anything! 

[Trupiano]

Why is there almost no information about current investigations disseminated by PD through statements or press conferences? I understand that PD has a media relations team, I haven't ever really seen anything from them and from what I've heard from from members it isn't exactly easy to get information they could possibly release. 

 

What gives?

 

I decided to make this post because currently, GTAW is in the middle of the largest CK war in server history. Some of the largest factions on the server are currently battling it out across the city. We've seen everything from arson's to gun battles with assault rifles in one of the cities nicest areas and yet we've seen nothing from PD or the press. From what I understand this lands on PD, LSNN can't magically know where things unfold and in real life it's local Police departments who are giving them the heads up. Additionally it seems counter intuitive to not make press releases about current events or events in general. How are you supposed to garner tips and leads if the public doesn't even know your investigating something? The lack of communication from PD just doesn't make sense to me and I hope it's something you can improve in the future.

Edited June 29, 2021 by Henning