No more PK wars - Wars should be serious/last resort

[Wuhtah]

Tossing IFMs way to give an overall opinion on this.

[GloryVon]

I'd say no.

[Wasloos]

This would open the door for so much good RP honestly. Small factions would be afraid of big factions and would legit have a reason not to start a war. This would eventually lead to the biggest faction ruling over the underworld, basically something everyone has to pay tribute to. If anyone would want to overthrow said faction, they'd have to team up with a bunch of smaller ones etc etc etc.

 

I agree this would lead to SO much good RP, I love it.

 

Although I do get the concerns with CK appeals, but that's a whole different issue honestly.

[DiorStacks]

no no no. that'd be a waste of everyone's time and only make it a pain in the ass for many. good luck keepin up with the ck appeals and reports. 

( if you dont have experience in illegal rp, don't speak on it )

[Welsh]

I don't really have an opinion.  But I am supporting the details of including a graph.

 

+1

[sCrax]

PK wars don't even bring any RP, it's just a DM fest where two factions compare PK lists to shit on each other OOC. CK wars would actually make people move smart and value their characters.

[Perstephone]

I think a lot of people are missing part of the point here. He's not saying every aggression between factions should be a ck. He's saying when two factions decide and agree to go to war, usually through a lot of IC escalation, it should be CKs on the table. 

 

CK wars used to exist on this server and they were a natural way for factions to die out, players to move on and make room for something else to grow. As it stands right now, the same factions can go to war every week, with little to no repurcussions. And they have been. I know many players who are have left factions, because it's just war after war and it kills all RP. EVERYONE in a war turns in to an emotionless terminator, with no character development. That's not a criticism, it's a fact and I understand why, but having this as a constant state of RP doesn't promote anything. 

 

Historically a ck war was a discussion with IFM with clear rules set out and an agreed upon outcome. The characters involved in the war were submitted before hand to prevent these pop up Tambo type characters everyone is talking about. 

 

And to the people saying "if you have no experience in illegal rp butt out." Respectfully, stop patrolling the streets with ARs and indiscriminately shooting in to crowds. Forcing people to RP what is essentially domestic terrorism and live in a constant state of fear, then complaining that people don't rp like its Cali. I can't remember the last time I RPd at night time and didn't see someone gunned down. 

 

+1 - Not for all points of escalation, but when it results in a war? Absolutely. 

[KFN]

12 minutes ago, Perstephone said:

I think a lot of people are missing part of the point here. He's not saying every aggression between factions should be a ck. He's saying when two factions decide and agree to go to war, usually through a lot of IC escalation, it should be CKs on the table. 

Omg thank you, so many people seemed to be skipping over the fact that I didn't mean CK's for all forms of aggression.

This suggestion purely for times of war, and not smaller skirmishes etc.

 

14 minutes ago, Perstephone said:

CK wars used to exist on this server and they were a natural way for factions to die out, players to move on and make room for something else to grow. As it stands right now, the same factions can go to war every week, with little to no repurcussions.

I would love it to go back to the days where it was like this because everyone keeps saying that 2019-2020 was the best time to rp on the server both illegal/legal, but no one actually does anything to go back to these glory days, especially on the illegal faction side.

[LeNova]

3 hours ago, Fasholy said:

-1, not needed. Making all wars CK wars is pointless, its just forcing ppl to make new characters and lose development for no good reason if they get caught slipping as a local or shit like that.
Wars being CK or PK is a decision leadership from both factions make and it should stay like that.

stop +1ing for dumb shit like "hahaha good graphics +1" cause you're just supporting an idea for how it looks and not for what it will do in the server. 

If people wouldn't start wars all the time with ten other factions they wouldn't have to worry 24/7 to get shot while they're just doing daily stuff.
Why is everyone doing that anyway, is bad for business. Try to make as less enemies possible.
Is this rp or is this cops and robbers with rp aspects? I'm sure you get my point.
I'm still saying yes to this, people are going to start less wars over silly stuff just because the chances are high to get CKed in a war.

[ZaE]

Let me start by saying I am not entirely against this, I just think theres other ways to fix the problem with wars, and I'm just concered for how it would work with Gang Roleplay, and that it would spiral down hill and be abused by factions, which would cause multiple CK appeals that take weeks, multiple factions closing all the time because "they were wiped out IC!" when that makes no sense realistically, gangs are huge. And multiple reports that will stress IFM out, they have enough on their plate, let them breathe. Now I know I'm about to get quoted one thousand times for even speaking positively about gang roleplay, but fuck it. I signed up for it.

 

I think instead of just removing PK wars and jumping to CK wars that will still end toxic...people will just camp in interiors during wars, limiting the roleplay they can do and only pop out when they have somebody scout the enemy faction.

 

Instead of removing PK wars and jumping to CK only? How about we fix and promote peaceful PK wars, and lower down the toxicity between faction to faction?

 

Further more...

 

CK-Only wars for gang roleplay would cause multiple factions to be closed over and over again, and people would just stop gang roleplay entirely, just because an unofficial group beefs one of their IRL rivals which is official (example: if Denver Lanes was unofficial, and warred 90s) they shouldn't be "afraid" to beef them because they are official, they beef IRL. This CK-Only war shit should be only for things that aren't gang roleplay, we need long lasting black, mexican and asian gangs. Not factions that get wiped down by three AKs and a pistol and forced to close their faction down once they get 10+ player blockwiped every 3 days.

 

PK wars are needed for gang roleplay specifically because if not, factions would get wiped out IC back and forward to the point theres no point to make a faction, and you wouldn't be able to war anybody.

 

All of the wars my faction (Harvard Park Brims) have had, we have had long-lasting wars with some CKs and 24 Hour PKs to keep things flowing, the CKs were people that did the heaviest amount of beef roleplay and the heaviest amount of dissing, the 24 hour PKs are put in place to avoid flexing PK lists and just enjoying the roleplay, however all of our wars have been POP SHOT ONLY. 

 

I think Pop Shot only wars should be the meta for gang roleplay. Let me elaborate on how they work with this small paragraph that I scooped from @Cuete's 90s discord.

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We want everyone to roleplay fear and the shootings properly. For example this war you are not aiming for kills but for pure roleplay. As if one faction decides to execute a drive by on the other they will aim to pop only a few shots and drive off and the other faction will roleplay the injuries and react to the shooting. We highly encourage that you ICly target opposition members you can clearly identify or had previous interactions with. If you are going to think you are a top shooter and go demon mode trying to hawk down the shooters you will be faction striked. I expect you all to roleplay injuries, fear and develop your hatred towards your enemies. Using Facebrowser is recommended to fuel the beef between your characters.

This is the best kind of war, a pop shot war with some CKs if the roleplay warrants it, not the ability to CK anybody that roleplays in a faction during a war just because, which I fear would happen because gang roleplay itself has its bad apples that blockwipe. Blockwipe CK wars? Please no. And it WILL happen. You could say report it and yes, I agree. But who likes to wait three weeks for a report to be handled, or worse a month just for a faction to be taken down for some DMey shit? IFM has enough on their plate, I doubt they have time to deal with 2x the amount of reports.

 

If this was implemented it would promote a short-lasting gang roleplay scene, or would just kill it entirely, I don't think the administration on the server nor IFM themselves could handle the amount of chaos this would bring. Not that they don't have good control over things so far, but I think this would add too much onto their plate that couldn't be managed. We still got reports in the pending reports section from 4 months ago, imagine the stress THIS would bring. Wars should be a very serious thing in some areas of roleplay, but in the gang world IRL? People will go to war with other gangs over bitches, twitter comments, photos, literally anything. As said before this would promote short-lasting factions and not long-lasting gang factions, as well as end in toxicity like everything else that was added in an attempt to make things "better". It's a good suggestion for faction concepts outside of gang roleplay, like MCs and what not. But for gangs? This is just not it. And I know you guys don't care about anything to do with gang roleplay but, we're players too.

 

But hey,  that's what most people want, a dead gang scene...

Edited June 9, 2022 by ZaE