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A discussion involving Rule 19.


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Just now, Smilesville said:

Au contraire. Movie theaters refuse to admit minors to R rated movies all the time.

 

They may not be legally obligated to do so, but they are legally permitted to do so.

My point remains valid. The age ratings are only a form of GUIDANCE however they hold no legal power in the court of law.

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Just now, Taina said:

I'm sure you're right about the rating system holding no legal power but I've personally seen minors refused service at Gamestop while trying to purchase games with mature ratings. ThatDutchPerson might have had the same experience.

Well, Gamestop might've been a wrong example since it's an international corporation and they have their internal regulations but I've been buying Dark Souls, TES Skrim and GTA in my local game store when I was like 12 and nobody really cared.

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Just now, i dont wanna od in LA said:

My point remains valid. The age ratings are only a form of GUIDANCE however they hold no legal power in the court of law.

Yes, but entities are within their rights to demand their patrons be of a particular age. You cannot attach legal liability to illegally obtained materials - a la clicking "I am 18+" on a porn site without actually being 18.

The same could easily apply to the server.

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Just now, Smilesville said:

Yes, but entities are within their rights to demand their patrons be of a particular age. You cannot attach legal liability to illegally obtained materials - a la clicking "I am 18+" on a porn site without actually being 18.

The same could easily apply to the server.

Then again, how do you check if somebody is 18 without violating the GDPR and other international laws? Once again, ban ERP and the problem solves itself.

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Just now, i dont wanna od in LA said:

Then again, how do you check if somebody is 18 without violating the GDPR and other international laws? Once again, ban ERP and the problem solves itself.

You don't have to check at all. Only three possibilities exist:

  1. You are 18+ and say you're 18+. No problems.
  2. You are under 18 and say you're under 18. You can't access content.
  3. You're under 18 and say you're 18+. You are illegally obtaining the material.

There is no circumstance under which the platform is liable.

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Just now, Smilesville said:

Yes, but entities are within their rights to demand their patrons be of a particular age. You cannot attach legal liability to illegally obtained materials - a la clicking "I am 18+" on a porn site without actually being 18.

The same could easily apply to the server.

Indeed actually it can. In lots of places, if you provide a service which others use, and that service is used as a medium to exploit or otherwise intice minors into sexually explicit activities, responsibility can fall on the company for not having any protections established to prevent said exploitation. Social media and dating services all do this, for that exact reason. 

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Slightly off-topic but I'd just like to share how happy I am that this has remained a mature and civilized discussion.  Sadly, this isn't typical for GTAW forums. 😭

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3 minutes ago, Eid said:

Lowkey this thread is getting off topic from the main point of the thread.

I think this thread has been through multiple topics at this point lol

 

It is all relevant to Rule 19 though.  But it seems many players have different ideas of the changes that need to be made to Rule 19.

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Just now, Smilesville said:

You don't have to check at all. Only three possibilities exist:

  1. You are 18+ and say you're 18+. No problems.
  2. You are under 18 and say you're under 18. You can't access content.
  3. You're under 18 and say you're 18+. You are illegally obtaining the material.

There is no circumstance under which the platform is liable.

Re-read my point. Let's say a 15 years old player engages into ERP with a 30 years old player. The 15 years old player states that they're 18 in the OOC chat and then proceed to engage into descriptive erotic roleplay. Who hold the liability? Clearly the platform, because they have not checked the age of player before allowing him to access said content. Banning the ERP would ultimately solve this issue and regardless of the age, people would simply stay out of that kind of roleplay. I really don't get why are you so upset with erotic roleplay being prohibited, but perhaps you really should re-evaluate if GTAW is the right platform to engage into that form of entertainment.

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