too many mobs

[knppel]

If looking in detail ingame you'll easily find more than just 18 people behaving like Don Corleone himself, doesn't necessarily mean there's a mob or faction behind it for all I've seen so far 😁

Edited November 18, 2020 by knppel

[Sacred]

14 hours ago, xdthe said:

While there may be 17 mobs/organized crime families, there is a wide spectrum of "organized crime". You have major drug dealing organizations to mafia controlling businesses across LS. It's a wide variety, and I don't think it's doing GTAW any harm by having variety. While I don't RP in an organized crime family myself, it isn't harming anyone. This is coming from someone who prefers and usually RPs in street level gangs.

DTO's and mobs are two different things, most DTO's aren't as organized as mobs and are usually unorganized

[aldo]

11 hours ago, Project-P said:

No point in trying to have FM set some type of ratio. People are going to rp what they feel like rping at the end of the day. 

tru that

[Shvag]

I was waiting for this topic so damn hard.

Here is where the major problem and the real bottleneck appears.

All those OC's and MC's are trying to push their wholesale shit to 5 gangs in south central. 

Normal hood kid is being approached by Pablo Escobar, Vito Corleone, Billy the Kid, Vladimir Putin, Russian mafia, Cosa Nostra, XX mobsters and many other characters on daily basis who are trying to push their random shit to him. Psssst, kid? Wanna buy 1KILO OF XXXXXX?? I have a good price. YOU CAN MAKE BIG PROFIT! YA YA!

Gangs are taking the major part of every drug chain and the problem is that with the current numbers we can't push them out of the server effectively.

 

Don't get me wrong on this. I am not saying anything against current factions, EOC/LCN and etcetera. It's all good with them. We just need more gangs. Or more motivation for them. Some help script-wise. I don't know.

And the dark skin scene of the server is quite abandoned.

Edited November 18, 2020 by Shvag

[xdthe]

9 hours ago, Sacred said:

DTO's and mobs are two different things, most DTO's aren't as organized as mobs and are usually unorganized

Thanks for clarifying

[weede]

5 hours ago, Shvag said:

I was waiting for this topic so damn hard.

Here is where the major problem and the real bottleneck appears.

All those OC's and MC's are trying to push their wholesale shit to 5 gangs in south central. 

Normal hood kid is being approached by Pablo Escobar, Vito Corleone, Billy the Kid, Vladimir Putin, Russian mafia, Cosa Nostra, XX mobsters and many other characters on daily basis who are trying to push their random shit to him. Psssst, kid? Wanna buy 1KILO OF XXXXXX?? I have a good price. YOU CAN MAKE BIG PROFIT! YA YA!

Gangs are taking the major part of every drug chain and the problem is that with the current numbers we can't push them out of the server effectively.

 

Don't get me wrong on this. I am not saying anything against current factions, EOC/LCN and etcetera. It's all good with them. We just need more gangs. Or more motivation for them. Some help script-wise. I don't know.

And the dark skin scene of the server is quite abandoned.

The admins ban half the gang bangers eventually because they don't realise that the 'DM' that happens down there, IRL is both frequent and frequently without 'good reason'. They also don't take into account that the scene is incredibly competitive to the point where it could be classed as PVP.

 

Not to mention the cops and their 30 point system and 2-3 week court cases which they justify as being 'the best on any server' (yeah for the lawyers, cops and judges) which a lot of Afro rpers just offline for because there's practically no real black car in the prison system which is dominated by the Ⓜ️ and Whitey Hitlersson MacNiggahater constantly pulling out ye olde shanke. Some guys get so many crimes put on them for their first arrest that they aren't allowed back out without parole. This is all catering towards the legal scene and partly the OCG scene, but holds little consideration for the gang scene which is where the majority of petty and violent criminal activity takes place.

 

That's why there's so many undeveloped gang banging characters.

 

On the second hand, because of the lack of developed gang bangers, they don't get the coveted supplier ranks as much as the OCGs, which results in incredibly unrealistic things like OCGs trying to move weed in bulk to gang bangers. I personally think the OCGs should deal in coke and the other drugs like LSD that're incredibly hard to synthesise or otherwise manufacture.

 

Meth's mostly produced by the county RPers and that scene for supply is all good and dandy, but there's no demand because of another oversight - drug effects.

We admit that a lot of people won't take drugs just for RP, and that's why the drug effects are there. Weed and cocaine are the only illegal drugs commercially viable in this server for the common man.

 

Cocaine makes ya hyped for fights, and gives you extra HP. RPly, and game effect wise, it's viable.

Weed for some reason gives you a minor amount of HP. Doesn't make too much sense but who gives a shit?

 

On the other hand, some genius decided that both meth and LSD's effect is to give you a temporary +2kg carrying boost.

 

Now I ask you this: Who the fuck thinks "I need to carry stuff past my inventory limit for a short amount of time"? Only perhaps a drug mule.

Now RPly, do you think the scarce amount of this type of person who needs this inventory limit boost is gonna say, "Let me just put this tab of LSD on my tongue so I can hallucinate for 12 hours and somehow carry more weight"? It makes no sense. In fact, it contradicts itself. It makes negative sense.

 

Do you think people use meth before a gunfight in this server if they want to win? Hell no, they use coke. Meth is just as good, RPly speaking, for pain suppression, focus and energy, but the average consumer in Davis ain't gonna take some before a gunfight which makes the effect useless to them.

Realistically, a good percentage of the houses in Davis would have at least one plant in them. Weed is grown by the ghetto populace en masse. Who the hell imports weed or weed seeds anymore? You can pick 'em from low grade bud, or buy 'em off the internet, the seeds that is. The OCGs IRL barely import weed into America anymore because post-911 it's much safer and effective to grow local.

 

Weed growing RP could add opportunities for people in Davis to get on with some passive crime RP, but no, we have these mobsters doing it because someone decided they're the only ones who can.

 

To go off-topic a bit, we are supposed to be RPing in an emulated version of California - a very liberal state where weed is legal, medicinally and recreationally. Shit, I PMed the new Mayor about it before he was elected and it seems like he was apprehensive about pushing for legalisation because he "wasn't sure what the illegal faction management plans for it".

 

To hell with the current IFM, they've failed the people who have pointed these things out time and time again through either negligence or imbecility. They've especially failed gang RP.

 

Bring weed production into the hands of gangbangers. Go a step further, make legalisation happen like it should have, and have one highly taxed expensive weed market in dispensaries, and one cheap weed market on the streets.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DanneBRE]

21 hours ago, Pathway said:

I dont think there should be an artificial limit on the amount of mobs, but I think mob rpers should start getting more creative. Most rp i've seen on threads is usually selling drugs/weapons, money laundering, or extorting people. People should rp more creative ideas like prostitution/brothels, pornography, loan sharking, counterfeiting and private gambling. I've only seen prostitution and gambling done by street gangs, while mobs usually just do legal businesses, and drug/weapon dealing. The only mob ive seen do prostitution is k-town tbh.

Hopefully im just not looking hard enough into these threads, but thats what the problem is to me instead of the amount of mobs, is the variety of things each of them do to stand out from eachother , apart from the obvious differences of ethnicity.

 

We tried with brothels/prostitution but these people were more or less ERP-addicts and slightly weird to put it nice. Brothels is never going to happen from me at least and I'm fairly sure that most of the "old" factions is not interested either as it attracts weird people. Loan sharking is cool and is done with people we know are proper roleplayers, cba to CK mallrat 1 & 2 because they wanna go against us or whoever. Private gambling is happening already along with counterfeiting.

[Ketamine Kowboy]

13 hours ago, DanneBRE said:

We tried with brothels/prostitution but these people were more or less ERP-addicts and slightly weird to put it nice.

[Shvag]

17 hours ago, weede said:

The admins ban half the gang bangers eventually because they don't realise that the 'DM' that happens down there, IRL is both frequent and frequently without 'good reason'. They also don't take into account that the scene is incredibly competitive to the point where it could be classed as PVP.

 

Not to mention the cops and their 30 point system and 2-3 week court cases which they justify as being 'the best on any server' (yeah for the lawyers, cops and judges) which a lot of Afro rpers just offline for because there's practically no real black car in the prison system which is dominated by the Ⓜ️ and Whitey Hitlersson MacNiggahater constantly pulling out ye olde shanke. Some guys get so many crimes put on them for their first arrest that they aren't allowed back out without parole. This is all catering towards the legal scene and partly the OCG scene, but holds little consideration for the gang scene which is where the majority of petty and violent criminal activity takes place.

 

That's why there's so many undeveloped gang banging characters.

 

On the second hand, because of the lack of developed gang bangers, they don't get the coveted supplier ranks as much as the OCGs, which results in incredibly unrealistic things like OCGs trying to move weed in bulk to gang bangers. I personally think the OCGs should deal in coke and the other drugs like LSD that're incredibly hard to synthesise or otherwise manufacture.

 

Meth's mostly produced by the county RPers and that scene for supply is all good and dandy, but there's no demand because of another oversight - drug effects.

We admit that a lot of people won't take drugs just for RP, and that's why the drug effects are there. Weed and cocaine are the only illegal drugs commercially viable in this server for the common man.

 

Cocaine makes ya hyped for fights, and gives you extra HP. RPly, and game effect wise, it's viable.

Weed for some reason gives you a minor amount of HP. Doesn't make too much sense but who gives a shit?

 

On the other hand, some genius decided that both meth and LSD's effect is to give you a temporary +2kg carrying boost.

 

Now I ask you this: Who the fuck thinks "I need to carry stuff past my inventory limit for a short amount of time"? Only perhaps a drug mule.

Now RPly, do you think the scarce amount of this type of person who needs this inventory limit boost is gonna say, "Let me just put this tab of LSD on my tongue so I can hallucinate for 12 hours and somehow carry more weight"? It makes no sense. In fact, it contradicts itself. It makes negative sense.

 

Do you think people use meth before a gunfight in this server if they want to win? Hell no, they use coke. Meth is just as good, RPly speaking, for pain suppression, focus and energy, but the average consumer in Davis ain't gonna take some before a gunfight which makes the effect useless to them.

Realistically, a good percentage of the houses in Davis would have at least one plant in them. Weed is grown by the ghetto populace en masse. Who the hell imports weed or weed seeds anymore? You can pick 'em from low grade bud, or buy 'em off the internet, the seeds that is. The OCGs IRL barely import weed into America anymore because post-911 it's much safer and effective to grow local.

 

Weed growing RP could add opportunities for people in Davis to get on with some passive crime RP, but no, we have these mobsters doing it because someone decided they're the only ones who can.

 

To go off-topic a bit, we are supposed to be RPing in an emulated version of California - a very liberal state where weed is legal, medicinally and recreationally. Shit, I PMed the new Mayor about it before he was elected and it seems like he was apprehensive about pushing for legalisation because he "wasn't sure what the illegal faction management plans for it".

 

To hell with the current IFM, they've failed the people who have pointed these things out time and time again through either negligence or imbecility. They've especially failed gang RP.

 

Bring weed production into the hands of gangbangers. Go a step further, make legalisation happen like it should have, and have one highly taxed expensive weed market in dispensaries, and one cheap weed market on the streets.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Daquan Kingston]

I would love a debate about the whole "poor reason to kill" punishments, because in theory, most crimes are poor reasons yet it is realistic to have a poor reason to kill.