Server Rules: Questions and Answers

[Ignis]

37 minutes ago, mj2002 said:

 

The lockpicks are kind of obvious, but the thread focused more on ads for escorting. Is this considered illegal?

* making an advertisement looking for a date or along the lines of "a fun time";

Isn't that the same as escorting? I could be wrong

[mj2002]

8 minutes ago, Ignis said:

* making an advertisement looking for a date or along the lines of "a fun time";

Isn't that the same as escorting? I could be wrong

 

Could be yeah. I'd not mind if these were just restricted to /cad and banned from /ad, just like pawnshops can sell lockpicks.

[sixchar]

Do the vehicle ramming rules apply to hitting another vehicle? 

Let's say you're trying to box someone off? Do the vehicle ramming rules apply?
 

[goddessoflife]

1 hour ago, mj2002 said:

 

Could be yeah. I'd not mind if these were just restricted to /cad and banned from /ad, just like pawnshops can sell lockpicks.

 

I have no doubt that the I'm looking to hire an escort isn't allowed and that ads for selling their services in /ad isn't allowed either.

 

I'm more doubtful whether or not it should be allowed in the cad section as a company/business. Since most if not all are a front for prostitution which is illegal. And illegal ads arent allowed even if its hidden in other words etc. 

 

I've had some response on the team and they think it's a grey area an believe that management needs to make it more clear. 

 

I'll continue to ask for clarity on this topic. So everything I said above is from my interpretation of the rules and hope to get back soon with a definite answer.

[BarbieXL]

On 6/14/2023 at 4:20 PM, goddessoflife said:

 

I have no doubt that the I'm looking to hire an escort isn't allowed and that ads for selling their services in /ad isn't allowed either.

 

I'm more doubtful whether or not it should be allowed in the cad section as a company/business. Since most if not all are a front for prostitution which is illegal. And illegal ads arent allowed even if its hidden in other words etc. 

 

I've had some response on the team and they think it's a grey area an believe that management needs to make it more clear. 

 

I'll continue to ask for clarity on this topic. So everything I said above is from my interpretation of the rules and hope to get back soon with a definite answer.

Yea  I actually had an admin messaging me, I had to do /cad instead of /ad with my side business (photography and graphics). I kept seeing escorts selling  themselves on /ad. I PM'd the admin and said, they are selling themselves, just like I do but in a different way, they should kind a do /cad if GTA:W allows them to advertise.  They said they didn't like the escort ads at all, and me personally also think, it's a bit pathetic.  It's poor RP. 

[goddessoflife]

10 minutes ago, BarbieXL said:

Yea  I actually had an admin messaging me, I had to do /cad instead of /ad with my side business (photography and graphics). I kept seeing escorts selling  themselves on /ad. I PM'd the admin and said, they are selling themselves, just like I do but in a different way, they should kind a do /cad if GTA:W allows them to advertise.  They said they didn't like the escort ads at all, and me personally also think, it's a bit pathetic.  It's poor RP. 

 

 

I'm not a fan of it either, all company related things should go in /cad even hiring staff. I've brought it up in staff discussions and we're actively discussing the situation around escort services in /ad and /cad.

[mj2002]

On 6/17/2023 at 2:38 PM, goddessoflife said:

I'm not a fan of it either, all company related things should go in /cad even hiring staff. I've brought it up in staff discussions and we're actively discussing the situation around escort services in /ad and /cad.

Any news on this?

[Local Gangster]

On 6/17/2023 at 8:38 AM, goddessoflife said:

 

 

I'm not a fan of it either, all company related things should go in /cad even hiring staff. I've brought it up in staff discussions and we're actively discussing the situation around escort services in /ad and /cad.

In theory - couldn't a "backsites" type of ad service be added or coded in game? Via a different command like /backpages or something? These ads aren't shown (unless you opt into them via settings or through your phone etc). This gives most players a medium of either opting into back page ads, but also keeps the main ad page free of weird ads etc. 

[Kraethas]

43 minutes ago, Local Gangster said:

In theory - couldn't a "backsites" type of ad service be added or coded in game? Via a different command like /backpages or something? These ads aren't shown (unless you opt into them via settings or through your phone etc). This gives most players a medium of either opting into back page ads, but also keeps the main ad page free of weird ads etc. 

 

This would be a nice addition. Something like LC's "Dark Web"

 

As for the rest of this issue, things are simple. The complexity exists in players trying to avoid consequences.

 

The rule states specifically that the advertising of illegal services through /ad or requesting illegal services through/ad is against the rule. It also states that it is against the rule to use innuendos, double speak, or to disguise your request under a seemingly innocent ad.

 

The player, when writing the /and, knows exactly what they are trying to get out of it, regardless what justification they will use. Case in point: a character advertising maid cleaning services with the intent to engage into prostitution RP, knows this the moment they type the ad. They don't realise it when they arrive at the client.

 

So at the exact moment of the ad's writing, the writer knows exactly, on an ooc level, what they're trying to achieve. And therefore, no matter what wording or excuse they're using, since prostitution in San Andreas is illegal, then no matter how you justify it, the moment you post an /ad, under whatever disguise, with the ooc intent to engage in prostitution RP, you have knowingly broken the advertisement rule.

 

Simple, yet complex to explain 

Edited June 23, 2023 by Kraethas

[goddessoflife]

17 hours ago, mj2002 said:

Any news on this?

Nothing conclusive, but as far as the responses from admins go they are pretty much unanimous and what I can deduct from their answers/interpretation of the rules for these ads are;

• Escort if legal would be allowed through /cad.
• If illegal activities are behind the Escort services (prostitution), this is not allowed in /ad, /cad
• Freelancer escort services are seen as looking for work ads, these are not allowed /ad, /cad
• Asking for these services through /ad isn't allowed.

 

If anything changes, we'll notify.

 

9 hours ago, Local Gangster said:

In theory - couldn't a "backsites" type of ad service be added or coded in game? Via a different command like /backpages or something? These ads aren't shown (unless you opt into them via settings or through your phone etc). This gives most players a medium of either opting into back page ads, but also keeps the main ad page free of weird ads etc. 

 

 

8 hours ago, Kraethas said:

 

This would be a nice addition. Something like LC's "Dark Web"

 

As for the rest of this issue, things are simple. The complexity exists in players trying to avoid consequences.

 

The rule states specifically that the advertising of illegal services through /ad or requesting illegal services through/ad is against the rule. It also states that it is against the rule to use innuendos, double speak, or to disguise your request under a seemingly innocent ad.

 

The player, when writing the /and, knows exactly what they are trying to get out of it, regardless what justification they will use. Case in point: a character advertising maid cleaning services with the intent to engage into prostitution RP, knows this the moment they type the ad. They don't realise it when they arrive at the client.

 

So at the exact moment of the ad's writing, the writer knows exactly, on an ooc level, what they're trying to achieve. And therefore, no matter what wording or excuse they're using, since prostitution in San Andreas is illegal, then no matter how you justify it, the moment you post an /ad, under whatever disguise, with the ooc intent to engage in prostitution RP, you have knowingly broken the advertisement rule.

 

Simple, yet complex to explain 

I do not know if a thing like that would be feasible, a developer would need to say something about those possibilities if a "dark web" could be made in-game. Could always toss it in the suggestions section if a similar suggestion hasn't been made yet. 
 

Edited June 23, 2023 by goddessoflife