Disallow robberies outside / infront of casions

[Martyn]

There are a zillion security companies on the server. If you have THAT much money you're worried about being robbed, paying like... 8k? To be escorted to the nearest bank is absolutely nothing and I'd argue you 100percent deserve to get robbed if you're cheap enough not to extend roleplay to others over such a negligible amount. 

[Moonsong]

9 hours ago, Odin said:

I agree with this somewhat at the direct entrance, but I think in dark parking lots for example, or being followed is fair game. On the other hand, why wouldn't these casinos hire one of the many many security options?

Agreed with fake Odin, right at the entrance or inside the casino is dumb as fuck, where there are likely to be other witnesses, CCTV etc. It's definitely not realistic regardless of security has been hired etc. Otherwise leaving with huge stacks of cash is your own risk to take.

 

When you're done for the evening, and no one else is interacting with you just log out inside the casino? It's a cheese sure, but not against the rules if you're not in an active situation.

[padinni]

26 minutes ago, Moonsong said:

Agreed with fake Odin, right at the entrance or inside the casino is dumb as fuck, where there are likely to be other witnesses, CCTV etc. It's definitely not realistic regardless of security has been hired etc. Otherwise leaving with huge stacks of cash is your own risk to take.

 

When you're done for the evening, and no one else is interacting with you just log out inside the casino? It's a cheese sure, but not against the rules if you're not in an active situation.

 

Yes, this is exactly what I mean, right outside or the entrance of the casino. I don't find it realistic at all standing there camping in the bushes or in an off-angle just waiting for the opportunity. It is enough one minute when guard is AFK or just inside they can pull the gun. They know it's worth it purely based on OOC knowledge that you cannot deposit inside. 

 

Yes, you can call it IC-issue, but it's hard to find security people that are willing to stand both inside and outside the Casino a whole night in-game.

Then you can call it an IC issue to rob someone inside a bank too, "just hire security inside the bank" - yeah right.

Usually it's only inside they are available to guard a whole opening, and it's not even possible to deposit money inside from a Casino like some people here suggesting.

 

Sorry if my suggestion was unclear-  I don't mean the whole area surrounding the Casino. 

[Gallant]

1 hour ago, Moonsong said:

Agreed with fake Odin, right at the entrance or inside the casino is dumb as fuck, where there are likely to be other witnesses, CCTV etc. It's definitely not realistic regardless of security has been hired etc. Otherwise leaving with huge stacks of cash is your own risk to take.

 

When you're done for the evening, and no one else is interacting with you just log out inside the casino? It's a cheese sure, but not against the rules if you're not in an active situation.

Just log out then reconnect and spawn at your house, checkmate atheists.

[Moonsong]

1 hour ago, padinni said:

 

Yes, this is exactly what I mean, right outside or the entrance of the casino. I don't find it realistic at all standing there camping in the bushes or in an off-angle just waiting for the opportunity. It is enough one minute when guard is AFK or just inside they can pull the gun. They know it's worth it purely based on OOC knowledge that you cannot deposit inside. 

 

Yes, you can call it IC-issue, but it's hard to find security people that are willing to stand both inside and outside the Casino a whole night in-game.

Then you can call it an IC issue to rob someone inside a bank too, "just hire security inside the bank" - yeah right.

Usually it's only inside they are available to guard a whole opening, and it's not even possible to deposit money inside from a Casino like some people here suggesting.

 

Sorry if my suggestion was unclear-  I don't mean the whole area surrounding the Casino. 

Robbing someone in a bank is clearly against the rules. Though what I would suggest is if you're leaving the casino with a big enough pot, call your preferred company for an escort out only when your ready to leave, there's no need for them to stay whilst you're actively gambling. This'll reduce the likelyhood of them being afk when you're ready to leave. Butyeah, doing it right at the doorway is anything but an IC issue imo, so I'd report anyone who does this for powergaming.

 

1 hour ago, Gallant said:

Just log out then reconnect and spawn at your house, checkmate atheists.

 

I'd advise against this as it could get you in trouble if anyone decided to report you. as it shows a willful intent to abuse spawn features. But legitimately logging out until next morning once your roleplay in the casino is concluded? Not gonna be able to prove anything there.

[peasoup]

I tend to agree that there are too many dumb robberies, but this is exactly the sort of situation where robberies like this happen? It's not targeting some random person on the sidewalk just because they're there, it's a targeted robbery on someone who very likely has a lot of money. The risk is high, but so is the reward, there's nothing wrong with that.

 

The fact that casino RP is totally unrealistic is the real problem.

[Cartoonhead]

43 minutes ago, peasoup said:

 

 

The fact that casino RP is totally unrealistic is the real problem.

No truer words have ever been spoken. Casinos are an allowed form of asset boosting. Near to zero RP happens in casinos. Id say more but I dont feel like getting another strike.

Edited July 23, 2023 by Cartoonhead

[Chaozuo]

5 hours ago, padinni said:

Yes, you can call it IC-issue, but it's hard to find security people that are willing to stand both inside and outside the Casino a whole night in-game.

Then you can call it an IC issue to rob someone inside a bank too, "just hire security inside the bank" - yeah right.

Usually it's only inside they are available to guard a whole opening, and it's not even possible to deposit money inside from a Casino like some people here suggesting.

 

If the robbery is well RP'ed its a literal non-issue, If you have a problem then report the robber for poor portrayal. Getting robbed right at the front door of a casino is questionable portrayal at best and probably doesn't need yet another rule to limit the RP of criminal RP'ers who aren't literal morons.

 

Security companies when requested will happily have guards who stand inside/outside for the entirety of an opening without issue, To my knowledge of working on both sides of the net, Getting ahold of guards is hardly an issue.

 

Instead of focusing on an OOC solution further limiting the RP of criminals cause it doesn't fit your characters time within casino's, Maybe you should focus on an IC solution, Start making it common practice for casino's to allow you to cash the chips and bank transfer you the funds, Or even better try and encourage world to allow script support for banking within a casino (Chip exchange etc)

 

Or if you can't seem to find a solution using any of the above, Make use of private security companies escort services and cash in transit, If none of the above work then consider not visiting the casino's that don't facilitate customer concerns in regards to robberies etc in the future, Boycott those that don't facilitate you and move on. In real life if you went to a casino and kept getting robbed, Its likely you'd either not visit that casino again or alternatively find an alternative safer way to move your money.

 

IC solutions > OOC solutions -  If you used the resources provided to you IC rather than trying to get an OOC rule introduced, You'd have avoided being robbed by now, Your set to lose a lot more being robbed than paying 10k for escorts to a security company furthering everyones RP in the process. Focus less on the criminal RP'ers and more on the Legal Rp'ers that put you into this situation in the first place by not allocating more funds to security in their establishments.

 

 

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[Narco]

+1 imo

 

robbing people in front of a casino is probably the poorest way to rob somebody whatsoever and shows a play to win mentality, players should have to follow their target outside of the area and actually plan it instead of just pulling up to someone in front of a casino and sticking them up, as stated before by others “in dark alleyways etc”.

[Jacooob]

Right at the front door, I could imagine it's weird and unrealistic. But as a casino, it's up to the establishment to provide good security. In the streets very nearby it for example, you should still be allowed to get robbed imo.