Moonsong

I made an assumption because you refuse to elaborate on the scene you caught a punishment and CK for, because I want to get more context because it seems like you are hiding something. Your behaviour and personal attacks make me lean even more towards that. So can we keep things civil? I know how these things work and that forced CKs need higher level admin approval, they're not handed out for fun. In this particular situation I still don't think going straight to shooting without warning is good escalation, yes they're breaking into your car but your life isn't in immediate danger. Nobody is saying don't protect your property, but you should be smart about it when you do. @Soraya makes a great point though, there is absolutely an unfair standard civilians are held to when compared to criminals and that's something that needs looking at but I don't think it necessarily applies to upping your CCW at 2/3 individuals breaking into your car who may or may not be armed themselves. Would you risk it irl? One person? Sure, you might but not when the math doesn't math. These situations aren't so cut and dry.

You're not all saying saying the same thing though. Those who are normally quite vocal about how absurd criminal aspects of roleplay can get are saying that going straight to shooting in this situation is pretty stupid. And if it's the one that was linked to above, you definitely got what you deserved. Yes there are discrepancies between civilian and criminal RP, I don't think anyone's disputing that but in this case it seems to be a case of mitigating circumstances and issues of escalation. As I said, perhaps gun laws can be looked at IC.

As a former admin myself I can't help but get the feeling there's a lot more to it than what you described. There must have been other mitigating circumstances otherwise it would've been overruled in a staff report. I've been on the receiving end of enough of those to know how it all works lmao That said, I do agree in principle that there isn't enough wiggle room for civilians when it comes to legal gun usage as it does often seem like ccws just exist to give to robbers. But perhaps that's something that could be looked at with IC revisions to gun laws rather than OOC rule changes.

Do you have her number? Asking for a friend 🤣 Fr though obvious shit should be called out, but if you want to say you made an AI version of yourself IC? Nobody would have an issue. It'd probably even start a trend. What's not cool is passing it off as something it's not. 100% agree on this.

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I can't even remember the number of times this has been REPEATEDLY explained to the people who "caNt UndErsTaNd" why cars aren't allowed to be used. The fact is, they just don't give a shit and just yell "MUH CARS" without even thinking about the consequences and repercussions. They got their wish with Liberty City, but exactly what we all said would happen if criminal roleplayers got more freedom happened, the city again became a ghost town and nobody went out, robbers ended up robbing other robbers. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again, expecting different results. WHY is this thread even being entertained when we've seen the same results multiple times across multiple servers. Restrictions are needed because players can't be reasonable. It's exactly why Nervous recently took a u-turn on rule enforcement, teaching players who kept doing the same thing wasn't working and the leniency was being abused. He's also promised to crack down on trash-tier robberies. So imo, this thread is no longer needed and the discussion is pretty much moot and exhausting.

You're missing the entire point, we're not talking about "touch ups" and upscaling that imo is fine. I'm personally talking about people who drastically change the look of their character with AI to make them look like a real person. As I stated before, character pics should be REPRESENTATIVE of how they look in-game with in game graphics. Making them look life-like makes it feel severely disconnected from the GTAW Universe. It's very jarring. Please try to think and read for more than a few seconds instead of immediately saying "I dOnT uNdErStAnD".

Honestly, I agree with this. Your characters appearance should be in line with how you would expect characters to look in-game, using AI is misrepresentative except for using it to remove undersirable background elements from screenshots, upscaling and general improvements to the actual picture quality rather than altering the characters which is perfectly reasonable to me. If you're using it to make your character more life-like outside the scope of the game and even menyoo then you're probably taking it way too seriously and should be called out in some form or another. At the same time, if the people doing this are just doing this for the hell of it even to those who aren't using AI that's a problem too and it's also technically mixing ic/ooc and it is something I'd find annoying in general. Yes, people did this for the hell of it even when menyoo first became popular. The solution, prohibit the use of AI to make character alterations and the problem mostly goes away. Similar restrictions were brought in for Menyoo usage too if I remember and worked fine.

How is this any benefit to a HEAVY RP server? It's not even something every character would automatically know, remember nor have any need for, It's really silly and unnecessary

This is definitely needed, it will also make sure players are held to account for their behaviour. The only people against this are probably exactly the reason why this is needed.

Agreed, for blatant shit like this it needs to be a permanent ban across the board not just because the community thought one particular punishment was too lenient. I'm not familiar with what happened in this particular case. There is as I said before room for leniency with much more minor situations but absolutely not with this.

100% agreed for malicious violations by people who have absolutely no business being part of this community and absolutely know what they're doing. I also agree that putting on a petted lip and writing a long winded apology doesn't excuse certain behaviors. However R19 is not as black and white as some may think as there are some very minor instances of R19 breaches that don't warrant permanent bans it usually depends on how serious the violation actually is and the nature of the incident itself. Whether you choose to agree or not is irrelevant, it is fact.

I doubt he was even around when there was a time where being killed just because you were robbed was the norm and being left alive was a luxury. Or scammed for cars and literal houses just because a dude goes /do the documents look legit. This one wasn't on gtaw granted but I've been roleplaying long enough to have experienced it as a norm. Or when you could be bundled out into a car, taken to the middle of nowhere and shot in he kneecap to make sure you couldn't call the cops..for a few hundred bucks. This used to be regular on gtaw. These rules exist because players on both sides CONSISTENTLY abuse any sliver of freedom they're given without any regard for the experience of others. I've even literally been told "Idgaf about their experience, hire security, don't get caught lacking" they hire security..then armed security guards are targeted because rules are so heavily weighted AGAINST the victim.

Would actually support adding a separate default interior for /robhouse, along with an rng chance of certain loot spawning which you would physically have to find and pick up. Say, a box of electronic items, clothing, car parts or whatever that truckers transport to businesses which you could then sell at trucker dropoff points the same as truckers do. Or other rarer things like a new phone that you can assign to yourself, or sell to pawn shops etc. The kind of things robbers actually want and can make money from but obviously a rarer find. Lots of things like that you could do without it being unrealistic, or ever going into a players actual house. It'd be an income source rather than robbing fandoms.

I can understand where the OP is coming from and admittedly I wouldn't complain if they were removed as I avoid them like the plague if I happen to see any; they are (as much as I am surprised at myself saying this) NOT the cause of the problems in the community. Removing them WOULD NOT solve the much bigger problems this community has. The trollish and unrealistic behaviour would still be there, they'd just be adult characters instead. The real problem as I have said even when I was staff, is the lack of meaningful punishment and deterrent for those who do break the rules. There is a constant battle between staff and players to find loopholes in rules to excuse shitty behaviour. I'm going to go slightly off-topic here but bear with me; I have seen and been part of those simpler times (since before roleplay was even mainstream thing) so many in this community seem to scream for, swearing that things will work themselves out if players are left to themselves. Let me assure you, they do not. Roleplay IS NOT fun under a minimalistic ruleset. It didn't work then and it sure as hell won't work now. I say that as a matter of fact, with absolute certainty. I spoke out about behaviours in 2009 that were once common place, I was met with exactly the same amount of vitriol and disdain as I get now for speaking out against detrimental behaviours. But guess what? Those behaviours that were once common were outlawed because it was so widely abused and so many were speaking out about it, there was little choice. Whilst rules are ever evolving to keep up with whatever exploitative meta players come up with to fuck over others, one thing that has never evolved as roleplay settings, or even rules have.. punishments have not changed in the last 15 years of roleplay. It might have been effective for a while back in the day but Isn't it about time we moved on from sticking players in inescapable containers in the hopes they learn a lesson as the sole means of punishment? It seems so Draconian, surely we can evolve from this? TLDR; Minor characters aren't the problem here. The problem is both the player, AND the system which has been relatively unchanged in 15 years of roleplay, it's no longer an effective or meaningful punishment. This, is the core of the problem.