Disallow entry fees for casinos.

[Jeroen]

Just now, bigscoop said:

the 50-50 up/down chance of blackjack

Blackjack isn't 50/50.

[olly2000]

1 hour ago, bigscoop said:

Without even getting into the statistics of paying minimum amount of people employed and the 50-50 up/down chance of blackjack, this makes little to no sense.

There’s no way blackjack is 50/50. The house more or less ALWAYS wins. 

[TeeHazmat]

16 hours ago, george0 said:

just buy a casino +3

PM says no more Casinos on the market. So you're not gonna get a casino unless one of the people who already owns one decides to sell it (Which is not gonna happen)

[jromjeksin]

Or stop being cheap and pay the $500-1K? How cheap can you be? Casinos are not always profitable, you can actually go broke in 30 minutes to an hour. On top of that you have to pay all your staff including security guards. G6 charges 10K per guard. Too many trolls or unrealistic characters enter the casino in groups swinging at people, yelling the n-word or just breaking all the rules of the establishment and have to removed by guards. Gotta have 3-4 guards so 3 guards is already 60K, 4 guards is 80K you're paying out of pocket if you're open for 2 hours. Blackjack, you open 2 tables with 300K each and if people come in and keep winning, you lose the money. Poker makes no money unless you charge to get on the table which places like Rounder's Card Club and Rebel do not charge you to play poker nor blackjack. I have personally hosted tables where I have had to put in 500K and ended up with either zero profit from blackjack but ended the day even or have lost it all. House does not always win. 

Edited June 2, 2023 by jromjeksin

[Galactus]

Its not like there is a scam of a casino that charges entry that is named after a precious stone in some area with a race course... oh wait.

 

Nevermind... Guess everyone just goes to Royal Rebel to not get charged to walk in.

 

Never payed to enter a casino IRL. Its not a thing here.

[MarcoEL]

+1

[Edgars]

I think people should be allowed to run their businesses as they see fit.   

 

This? In my opinion should have been drafted into the Gaming Act, and I think it would do much better as an IC law rather than a server rule. 

 

Although, 99.9% of casinos would never ever charge an entry fee in the real world, so keep that in mind for realism.

 

 

Why does this make sense?  If people violate it,  more IC roleplay opportunities, more IC consequences.   

That's just my opinion!

Edited June 2, 2023 by Edgars
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[mj2002]

1 hour ago, jromjeksin said:

Casinos are not always profitable

 

Can you demonstate this? Do you have examples of casinos in GTAW running on a loss in the long term?

[Jeroen]

1 hour ago, jromjeksin said:

Casinos are not always profitable,

Casinos are extremely profitable in the long run, and any half-decent manager will see that. Any losses, how big or small are usually only incidental due to the house's edge.

[jromjeksin]

13 minutes ago, Jeroen said:

Casinos are extremely profitable in the long run, and any half-decent manager will see that. Any losses, how big or small are usually only incidental due to the house's edge.

 

Not true at all, coming from someone who has been in the casino business for like 2 years on GTAW. You can go an entire week and either not make any profit after you have to pay your staff or be at a total loss. 

 

35 minutes ago, mj2002 said:

 

Can you demonstate this? Do you have examples of casinos in GTAW running on a loss in the long term?

 

I don't have screenshots but I can provide examples;

 

I managed Vinewood Casino a while ago. 3 openings per week - 2 blackjack tables and one poker table and the bar.

 

Tables - Start at 250K (min bet 1.5k, max bet 10-15K)

Bar - Drinks cost 100$-$3K

Poker - Zero profit for the house, you make absolutely nothing off tables

 

During my first week as the manager, both blackjack tables had to be re-filled TWICE because of house losses and even after, no profit was made. So let's say -500K as the initial table opening and -120K again after refilling both tables. You're already at a 620K loss on blackjack tables alone. Then you have to pay staff. Security guards are 10-15K per hour, you do the math if you have 3-4 guards which most casinos always have because someone is always trolling or doing something stupid. Then you have to pay the bartenders and your floor manager/supervisor.

 

These losses are not at all everyday but they are pretty common. People don't know this because they don't take the time out of their day to ask. Most people that run casinos will tell you. Some places rely on the 40K every 2 days from /openbusiness just to pay their staff because they lose a majority of their money opening the blackjack tables. 

 

They try to make some type of roleplay by raffling off cars and doing events but people still need to understand that when casinos do that, they are still taking a loss no matter how many raffle tickets they sell. Car costs 220K lets say, they sell about 100K in raffle tickets. They still take an L on top of whatever else they have to pay for during the opening (staff, tables). 

 

Take that into account plus the fact that this is a video game. People are crying about paying 500$ or 1K to enter a casino when the people running these establishments are losing way more than you paid to get in plus the skimpy 20K you put into blackjack.