FatCatTuxedo Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Moved to rule suggestions 1 Link to comment
ChinGod Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, cryybabyycryy said: This can be said about so many businesses. I work at a bar ic, we profit $20 a drink and get no bonus for people walking in. I am not complaining because it’s the rp that counts, not the profit. Player ran clothing stores, places to eat, and so on but they all survive without much profit and no entry. can anyone confirm if casino workers get the $4k a hour? Casino workers do not get the 4k per hour . I can understand people saying running a bar or some other passive RP business where money is not the main concern that money doesn't matter. Hell I have run a bar IC for like a year and a half and bars do get money from people walking in. It is way way easier to run a bar than a casino. Let me give a breakdown for an average casino opening, you have 2 -3 guards who take 10k per hour. Then we have a bartender taking 8k per hour. Then we have two dealers taking a percentage, assuming they don't lose money on Black Jack. 54k is the cost of one hour of opening .If we do a opening for two hours you can see how costs become hard to handle without entry fees. Also, unlike bars and other passive rp places where money is a minor concern , a casino is totally dependant on money to provide RP. If you can't pay your guards, if you can't provide blackjack services, then you are basically a dead casino. In a bar I can just go , have one bartender, pay for a drink and chat some people up. People IC come to the casino gamble money, if the casino can't pay the players then it's basically failed as a business and if a casino is running on a loss its basically gonna end up closed. How would you feel if you won in blackjack and the casino said , oops we dont have money, just rp winning the cash. People would be jumping in report in a second. Edit:Just for comparison of the sheer costs of a casino, for comparison lets take a bar with the main cost being 8k per hour for a bar tender. You make 40k from entries you get 32k profit. A cafe literally has employees paid for by /startshift making 4k per hour. A casino costs a minimum of 40 to 50k per hour to run. You take away the entry fees and casinos and wholely solely capital F fucked. The entry fee is not greed , its a necessity since casinos dont have their own script. Edited June 2, 2023 by ChinGod Extra info Link to comment
squeezy Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 -1, or instead, add to the poker script a comission fee, so casinos can win a percent they can set 1-10% from the poker winnings. Link to comment
Rubbish Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 I've been charged once to enter a casino but it was only 20 euros, but you also got free drinks and snacks frequently so that was a decent trade off. Link to comment
Jeroen Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 As someone who used to do some IC bookkeeping work for a very big casino, I can give this suggestion a +1. Yeah, Blackjack tables are a coinflip. However I've seen with my own eyes through crunching the numbers that a casino has once had an opening where they raked in $1591707 through Blackjack alone. If you squander away that amount of money and are unable to keep your business running, that's your own fault. That amount of money should be more than enough to pay for your staff for multiple openings. Here's that 1.59 million dollar opening stats per player, with names anonymized. And here's yet another opening, with more stats. This was a week after a serious Blackjack exploit was fixed. Link to comment
ChinGod Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Jeroen said: As someone who used to do some IC bookkeeping work for a very big casino, I can give this suggestion a +1. Yeah, Blackjack tables are a coinflip. However I've seen with my own eyes through crunching the numbers that a casino has once had an opening where they raked in $1591707 through Blackjack alone. If you squander away that amount of money and are unable to keep your business running, that's your own fault. That amount of money should be more than enough to pay for your staff for multiple openings. Here's that 1.59 million dollar opening stats per player, with names anonymized. And here's yet another opening, with more stats. This was a week after a serious Blackjack exploit was fixed. This example that is used an extreme and this can go the other way too. You can end up losing that amount too. You can have a lucky streak like the one above or you can lose 100 to 400k at blackjack. A casinos "once had" great opening is not a great example for the average opening. If people truly want to suddenly implement hyper realism on businesses then there needs to be a proper replacement for the current casino system. Give casino owners pot rakes. Also, I skimmed through what I could find on casino laws , its stated nowhere that casino entry fees are illegal and a ton of casinos IRL charge entry fees so the point that its not realistic is already moot. Fees happen irl , maybe not in all casinos but they do and thus they can be implemented IG. Its an IC issue. The fees are a substitute for the lack of pot rakes and other casino games. Link to comment
Jeroen Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 minute ago, ChinGod said: This example that is used an extreme and this can go the other way too. You can end up losing that amount too. You can have a lucky streak like the one above or you can lose 100 to 400k at blackjack. A casinos "once had" great opening is not a great example for the average opening. I can provide you more examples, like the second example. Which is an about average opening for that casino. The casino has an edge, which means that they'll more often than not make money, and they'll make more money than lose money. And as explained in my prior post, if a casino is able to wisely use their funds earned, they'll absolutely be able to make a big profit over a longer period. We're not talking about one opening, nor a few. If a casino plays its cards right (pun intended) over a long period it's nearly statistically impossible to lose. Link to comment
mj2002 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 9 hours ago, ChinGod said: Terrible idea. The entrance fee is a must simply to support the business and keep it running. Are you suggesting that casinos do not make a net profit on average, if entry fees were not included? Link to comment
bigscoop Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 -1. You can regulate prices but to take them straight off in hunts of realism is another fairy tale. What in this server can be classified as realism? Thought we were way past the topic of comparing 1:1 with real life. Without even getting into the statistics of paying minimum amount of people employed and the 50-50 up/down chance of blackjack, this makes little to no sense. Link to comment
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