Stop with the ridiculous depreciation of vehicles, especially modified ones

[Power]

17 minutes ago, Chill said:

That’s 62.5% of car’s value. Even with car tax, there’s no way they couldn’t make a profit lol. This is what I’m talking about. It’s crazy. People justifying what these dealers are doing…. Madness. 

 

The reason it isn't worth it because how long is it going to take for that car to sell? If you come to me with a car I know I am not going to have an easy time selling either I'm not going to buy it or I'm going to offer you a price so low where the risk is worth it. I've had to take a loss on cars I've bought because they couldn't sell so I essentially had to give it away. I can't make money on a car I can't sell. If it was so easy to make the profit the person would of sold it themselves to a private buyer. 

 

  

21 minutes ago, Chill said:

The car market IC isn’t that complicated. I see what dealerships IC sell these cars for. Some even close to new pricing and they still sell. Especially when they have mods because they get a modded car for less than new price + registration. They aren’t struggling. To quote what you already said, money is meaningless. People will pay for it regardless. Vscrap will put more pressure on dealerships to be competitive because that’s exactly why it was changed before. People would rather use vscrap than sell to someone. That’s when we had next to no car dealerships. We don’t have that issue. There’s dealerships everywhere. Higher vscrap promotes more competition. You’re making the market out to be more complicated than it really is.

Alright I've made my point its clear you aren't trying to respond to them. Again how does it help putting the vscrap price back to 50% when dealerships will justt raise their floor to 60 percent of the vehicle value and you still have the same issue. You haven't answered that and people like to oversimplify these issue they do it with the housing market as well. Just because its a video game doesn't mean supply and demand mechanics suddenly don't exist. Supply and demand isn't even that complicated. Any ways I'm done here. 

[Chill]

48 minutes ago, Power said:

 

The reason it isn't worth it because how long is it going to take for that car to sell? If you come to me with a car I know I am not going to have an easy time selling either I'm not going to buy it or I'm going to offer you a price so low where the risk is worth it. I've had to take a loss on cars I've bought because they couldn't sell so I essentially had to give it away. I can't make money on a car I can't sell. If it was so easy to make the profit the person would of sold it themselves to a private buyer. 

 

  

Alright I've made my point its clear you aren't trying to respond to them. Again how does it help putting the vscrap price back to 50% when dealerships will justt raise their floor to 60 percent of the vehicle value and you still have the same issue. You haven't answered that and people like to oversimplify these issue they do it with the housing market as well. Just because its a video game doesn't mean supply and demand mechanics suddenly don't exist. Supply and demand isn't even that complicated. Any ways I'm done here. 

I did respond to your points. You conveniently left out the responses I made because they refute your reasoning. Case in point:

 

You left out an entire part of my response in your quote because it’s true and refuted what you said previously. I always quoted you entirely and answered. It’s not my fault you failed to see those reasons. Dealers aren’t that worried about supply and demand. You’ve been out of the game since 2020. I talk to someone daily who runs car sales and openly admits exploiting the vscrap amount to lowball people, but it’s not against the rules. They don’t have an issue selling cars. It’s really not that deep. Lets agree to disagree. Good day 👋

Edited September 19, 2022 by Chill

[DannyMoney]

vehicles depreciate value the more miles it has as soon as you drive it off the lot irl you're not getting the same amount you pay for if you were to return a days later. this is what happens when everyone wants 1 to 1 realism in this community. never seen a roleplay community in favor of a 1 to 1 realism that's causing headaches/ heated arguments etc  . 

[Chill]

34 minutes ago, DannyMoney said:

vehicles depreciate value the more miles it has as soon as you drive it off the lot irl you're not getting the same amount you pay for if you were to return a days later. this is what happens when everyone wants 1 to 1 realism in this community. never seen a roleplay community in favor of a 1 to 1 realism that's causing headaches/ heated arguments etc  . 

I don't think anyone here wrote that they expect to get back the same amount you pay for it, except for the OP. The arguments were over how it makes zero sense to offer 50% or less for a car that's barely even driven. It's an abuse of the /vscrap price. No one here really called for 1:1 realism, but something believable. Right now it's just accepted, but not believable. In fact, more people have used realism to justify why low ball offers are given when in fact it's not really like that IRL unless you go to a scummy fly-by-night used car lot. Most used car lots give you fair value based on year and condition. Dealerships IC throw all that to the wind (because year and condition don't really matter) and simply offer 50% because they can based off of the dirt low /vscrap of 20%. It's not an IC issue, its an OOC mentality issue.

 

I can only quote a real vehicle here, but just to show you.

 

https://www.kbb.com/ford/f150/2020/ 

 

"The 2020 Ford F-150 has a Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of just over $30,000 (including $1,595 destination). That’s for a regular-cab Ford F-150 XL"

 

https://www.kbb.com/ford/f150-regular-cab/2020/xl-pickup-2d-8-ft/?category=pickup&condition=good&intent=buy-used&mileage=37347&options=9367334|true&pricetype=retail&vehicleid=447398

 

This is from a dealer based on fair market value for that F-150 Regular Cab XL. Do you see a 50% drop in value just because it was driven off the lot? No. It did not depreciate 50% even a year later. Cars don't depreciate that fast. Most dealers know that people can access these tools, hence why fair offers are usually given. Again, unless you choose to go to a scummy back alley used car lot. I understand that none of these tools exist in our world based on the fact that condition never changes IC. Doesn't change the fact that knowing /vscrap is at 20% is abused and dealerships take advantage of it. The OOC knowledge of this is what dictates car pricing in-game at a car dealership. I'm not complaining because I don't get my money back. Never did.

Edited September 19, 2022 by Chill

[Vash Baldeus]

3 hours ago, Power said:

and I could make a lot of money buying Asteropes for 15k and selling it for 20k to newbies in large volumes because the populations was rapidly expanding

Main reason those cars are literally gone and you do not see them anymore? The ability to get a starter car at the airport. I agree with all what you wrote, I am still selling cars since 2020 and sales have slowed down, abundance of cars without proper degradation system made them worthless and hence people offer LESS.

[Fatal]

If you want to stop the ridiculously low resale values, you have to bring /vscrap up to a better percentage, and maybe even make it account for mods the car has.

Otherwise, people really like offering the least they possibly can. Even with properties, they'll offer 20k under market value and act surprised when you say no. They expect you to accept because server-selling only gives you 50%.

 

Greedy community, car flippers, and a the /vscrap percentage are all to blame.

[Vash Baldeus]

5 minutes ago, Fatal said:

If you want to stop the ridiculously low resale values, you have to bring /vscrap up to a better percentage, and maybe even make it account for mods the car has.

Otherwise, people really like offering the least they possibly can. Even with properties, they'll offer 20k under market value and act surprised when you say no. They expect you to accept because server-selling only gives you 50%.

 

Greedy community, car flippers, and a the /vscrap percentage are all to blame.

Look at the casino's that ask for ENTRY fee on top of the fact you came to loose your money there, they are not greedy? It's matter of perspective. I do not like to low ball people on their cars, but if they bring me a 5k miles car and expect brand new price? Heck naw.

[Allantrist]

The moment you drive your brand new car out of the dealership, you instantly lose so much value on it. I don't know why you're surprised the same thing happens IG.

[Shah of Persia]

On 9/13/2022 at 4:10 PM, CaffeineHigh said:

If someone made such a ridiculous offer in real life, you'd spit that person in their face and walk off. Why does GTA:W have this ridiculous of a depreciation culture?

 

Guy clearly has never bought a used car in real-life.

[Chill]

2 hours ago, Allantrist said:

The moment you drive your brand new car out of the dealership, you instantly lose so much value on it. I don't know why you're surprised the same thing happens IG.

Not 50% the second you drive it off the lot, which is what happens here. That's not what happens in real life. Hate to burst your bubble. 20-30% by the end of the first YEAR? Sure. Not as soon as you drive it off the lot.

Edited September 19, 2022 by Chill