roleplayer Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 14 minutes ago, Beholder said: I'll defend this movie. Leon the Professional is a great. There's a super obvious father/daughter "coming of age" dynamic present that nobody seems to ever acknowledge since most people just see what's in front of them. Some people on this server are obsessed with pedophilia and are incapable of imagining an adult having an interaction with a child that isnt sexual but I guess that's their own issues they're working through. Saying you want this poster removed because it's a "pedophile dog whistle" is like demanding songs be removed because they have "satanic messages". I don't care if the poster stays or goes but this is just stirring the pot. The movie script describes the intercourse between a 12 years old and a grown adult. It's not a "father/daughter coming of age dynamic" scene, it's textbook paedophilia. Saying that most people just see what's in front of them is like saying "sure there's child porn, but look at the editing". Link to comment
Astralsomnia Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 30 minutes ago, Beholder said: I'll defend this movie. Leon the Professional is a great. There's a super obvious father/daughter "coming of age" dynamic present that nobody seems to ever acknowledge since most people just see what's in front of them. I had to look it up, cuz I've never heard of it. The wiki article had a plot synopsis that stated the character Mathilda (12) very much had a crush on Leon (33?), and wasn't even very subtle about it. However it was never reciprocated. The closest it ever got was Leon telling her she loved her at the end before he died, which could easily be interpreted as fatherly not romantic. Again, I've never seen the movie, but it seems like people are just freaking out over a kid being in love with an adult (something that is normal), despite said adult never being a creep and taking advantage of it. I think people just have such a strong opinion of pedos lately, that they are starting to label pretty much anything involving children as creepy, going so far as to even make up totally false information about it. Before it was pedos, everything was transphobic, before that everything was racist... it just pointless witchhunting because people hate something so much that they see everything as their villain of the week just so they can get some satisfaction bashing it. Link to comment
Astralsomnia Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 9 minutes ago, roleplayer said: The movie script describes the intercourse between a 12 years old and a grown adult. I have seen zero evidence of that, after some google searching. The best I could get was the director was accused of SA, but even Natalie Portman was kept ignorant of that until she was older. There's no evidence she refused a sex scene, or that it even existed in the first place. Link to comment
Cartoonhead Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Astralsomnia said: I had to look it up, cuz I've never heard of it. The wiki article had a plot synopsis that stated the character Mathilda (12) very much had a crush on Leon (33?), and wasn't even very subtle about it. However it was never reciprocated. The closest it ever got was Leon telling her she loved her at the end before he died, which could easily be interpreted as fatherly not romantic. Again, I've never seen the movie, but it seems like people are just freaking out over a kid being in love with an adult (something that is normal), despite said adult never being a creep and taking advantage of it. I think people just have such a strong opinion of pedos lately, that they are starting to label pretty much anything involving children as creepy, going so far as to even make up totally false information about it. Before it was pedos, everything was transphobic, before that everything was racist... it just pointless witchhunting because people hate something so much that they see everything as their villain of the week just so they can get some satisfaction bashing it. ... How can you form an opinion on a movie you haven't watched by taking a 2 minute glance at the WIKI of all things. Edited January 4 by Cartoonhead 2 Link to comment
Engelbert Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Real life must be hell for some people I guess. But anyway Hollywood and filmaking in general is not a happy place, never was and never will be. If you'd lock up every producer and director accused of SA, there'd be pretty much no one left to make movies. Is it a bad thing, yes it is. Is the real world fair? No it isn't and never will be. As to the actual movie in question...the movie was reexamined in the wake of #MeToo, movement. Which basically means they were set to "find" something because of Besson. Which is one of the many suicide cliffs of cancel culture (I honestly don't understand this. You can cancel all you want, but one day you'll be cancelled too, is what I believe.). Anyway you can take any movie from 70s-80s-90s early 2000s, before the so called "modern" society decided to change the rules and you will find racism, innapropriate sexual portrayal and more stuff in literally EVERY movie from those years. But you don't have to go that far. You could look at John Wick and the scene where he finds his dog dead. False? Yes, but could it trigger someone? YES it could. Conclusion? It's a movie. Whether there was complications during the shooting or not, leave that to people competent in actual persecution and stop playing the pitchfork crowd, that never leads to anything good and in the past resulted in many innocent people being burned at stakes. Oh I forgot, I seen that movie several times. Just as I saw many other movies. If you want a witchhunt, start with The Shining where Shelley Duvall had nightmares and eventually a mental breakdown from shooting that movie. Edited January 4 by Engelbert Link to comment
Beholder Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 29 minutes ago, roleplayer said: The movie script describes the intercourse between a 12 years old and a grown adult. It's not a "father/daughter coming of age dynamic" scene, it's textbook paedophilia. Saying that most people just see what's in front of them is like saying "sure there's child porn, but look at the editing". So the part of the script that did not make it into the movie? Do we judge all movies by what's not included in them? The part of the script they did not include is pedophiliac, but then you should restructure your argument that the poster should be banned based on a scene that never happened. Most people weren't even aware it existed (like me who had to google search the original script) because...it was never in the movie. I'm not giving this thread any more interaction and I feel a lot of my talking points were kind of ignored. People can agree or disagree but whether or not Leon the Professional is a pedophile dog whistle is up to everybody's personal opinions...and their personal experiences. Edited January 4 by Beholder 1 Link to comment
DeadPlaya Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 another thing to be mad about i guess Link to comment
roleplayer Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 (edited) 1 minute ago, DeadPlaya said: another thing to be mad about i guess yeah i kinda dont chill out when im being reminded of pedophiles because someone decided to add a very special portrait (and perhaps the only one) to the furniture system Edited January 4 by roleplayer 1 Link to comment
Engelbert Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, roleplayer said: yeah i kinda dont chill out when im being reminded of pedophiles because someone decided to add a very special portrait (and perhaps the only one) to the furniture system As I said, it can trigger someone, pretty much like anything out there. I get triggered by movies too. But I always take them as movies. Cause that's what they are. Link to comment
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