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Correct, although I can't fully comment as I don't believe Mikey was actually representing the actual Fresno Bulldogs. I can't remember the specifics around that as I wasn't around for that. I won't go into the history and background as we'll both be here all day & that isn't what this is about. While Fresno Bulldogs no longer form under NF, they do hold ties with them on certain yards due to the Southern Hispanic and White outnumbering them, some NF CAT 3 members are old timer F-14 members. (Before anyone comments I am aware Fresno no longer use 14, hence why I said "old timers") Anyway, I am not going to go back and forth as there's no point in it, we'll be here all day and I know your only trying to make sure people roleplay the organization correctly. LSRP "SAMP" is done and dusted. The ultimate goal here is to see if IFM may allow some form of Norteno structure on the server. Should it be a gang? Probably not, I would most likely go down the regiment route, with members in jail/prison or what have you. The reason I suggest a regiment, a regiment operates differently to that of a Norteno street gang, upon joining a regiment you are no longer allowed to gang bang. Yes regiments over see Norteno gangs in their area of control, but the overall members within that regiment do not go out looking for beef, their ultimate goal is earning for the Nuestra Familia, collecting tax, distribution of drugs, forming outside relations and carrying out hits for the "O".

@Decker Think you're confusing the early days of Nuestra Raza, when they were Bulldogs 14 who operated like Sureños. When the coup happened (I led with Kami & Apathy), which a lot of people aren't aware of, NR was created and the fundamentals of a Norteño operational structure was brought to bare. In no way under my leadership did NR operate like Sureños as the whole structure was based on a regiment. Very rare did we beef people outside of East Los, nevermind Sureños. We had numerous agreements in place with the Mexican Mafia leadership at the time. We only warred 2 Sureño gangs, which were Swan Lake 13 & another (who I forget), which were some of the best wars I have been apart of. Both wars were well organised and gun play was very rare, believe there was only 2 incidents were guns were used, which all stemmed from prison organised attacks between NF and Liam's EME. As the faction went on, the core of the faction switched to prison roleplay, with very few on the outside as a lot of our guys ended up getting busted due to a cop being murdered in East Los at a traffic stop, which led to an investigation led by Baker, who arrested about 8 of our guys. In the end us and EME had probs one of the first CK wars on LSRP. Which EME and White Pride ulimately won, which led to the downfall of NR. A lot of hard work went into that faction, especially the prison side. As our aim was to change the reputation of NF/NR, which ulimately we achieved. Am I a fan of Norteño gangs? Not really. I am more a fan of the regiment side of Northern Mexican side, but you can't compare what we did on LSRP to GTAW, on LSRP we had to change a mentality on there and also encourage people to switch from street rp to prison rp, took a few months, but we ulimately got there and a small legacy of guys continued what we built on. If the right people are willing to create a NF structure? I'm all for it, but if your ulimate goal is just to war Sureños, you're already breaking the NF constitution & bylaws.

Funny enough that was all written by me and is all completely true; All taken from the book known as Nuestra Familia - A Broken Paradigm by John "Boxer" Mendoza, an ex Nuestra Familia CAT 3 member. Nuestra Raza barely exist these days, it was up until the early 2000s, the recruitment tool to get the cream of the crop Norteños into the Nuestra Familia. Do you still hear about NR? You do, but that's more of a cover name for NF's activites. The common misconception people have is the Nuestra Familia is setup to war the Mexican Mafia, this is false. The Nuestra Familia and the Mexican Mafia have dealt with eachother on the streets, in that book John Mendoza actually talks about the relations he had with members of the Mexican Mafia. It's written in the doctorine of the collective that they would prefer peace with all organizations, if it was for the betterment of the their own organization. Some Norteño's don't even see a Sureño until they enter the prison system.

Server needs an El Burro Ranchero type business, pure run down Mexican burrito business with an atmosphere among the chefs and people that worked there. But as mentioned, people that bring those ideas are likely to get shut down due to how the characters are represented in-game. Why can't a run down family business be a thing? Where they struggle to make payments each month; this is a common theme nowadays, businesses struggling to make ends meet, far too many businesses on here cater to the wrong community. More run down businesses with good vibes to cater to the right people is needed.

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Co-founded WW2RP and Street Life RP on .co.uk, used to be a decent amount of people roleplaying it back in the old days between 05-08. Got into Hooligan RP with a mate of mine from Strabane area who I met on Habbo.co.uk, then got introduced to SAMP in late 2008 and slowly filtered out of Habbo as I left high school.

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