Trupiano
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The general discussions forum is a terminal cancer in this communities brain (To which I am definitely a contributor too) no matter who you are, this is plain and obvious to everyone. In it's current standing, it serves only to create tension and toxicity through the same 5 controversial threads that get rehashed every few weeks with a different coat of paint.
A few points:
- No good discussions are happening in General Discussions.
- Besides light hearted meme and community threads like "Screenshots with threatening Aura's" 95% of general discussion threads are really just suggestions.
- As we saw with the Illegal Faction Revamp thread any discussion that needs to happen can be addressed and made by staff in a manner that is 10x more productive.
- General Discussions is the Fox News/MSNBC (Take your pick) of GTAW and really only serves to enflame existing frustrations in the community.
- General Discussion is so bad most staff members don't even look into these threads to moderate which in turn leads to more unchecked toxicity in the community.
- @Wuhtah deserves to see the sun at least once a month
In all seriousness, allow people to keep posting in the light hearted threads I mentioned but lock new posts to Administrators, if someone has a topic they feel needs a thread they can reach out to staff and have it made for that discussion OR they can make a suggestion thread where it can be debated and quickly accepted/denied by management.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
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Kinda ironic that the people this thread is about have provided the most levelheaded takes while the people complaining have denied multiple genocides and made fun of the way some minorities talk. A true GTAW moment.
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1 minute ago, Piepstem said:
I am not gonna do the same
Because there are no sources that actually back up you argument.
It's cool man we get it, your fine with genocide just as long as it's being done by people on your side of the political spectrum.
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17 hours ago, Wuhtah said:
WHAT?
White wall tires killed my family, you heard me Wuhtah BAN EM!
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1 minute ago, Piepstem said:
My profile picture is a democratically elected Chinese Prime Minister, that is not the same as young Hitler at all. The fact that you are making an appeal to authority and using weasel words / anonymous authority when you refer to these ''thousands of historians'' makes your argument even worse.
I suggest you read:
"Illness and inhumanity in Stalin's Gulags" by Golfo Alexopoulos
"Tell it to the world; international justice and the secret campaign to hide mass murder in Kosovo" by Elliot Behar.
"No Lessons Learned from the Holocaust? Assessing Risks of Genocide and Political Mass Murder since 1955" by Barbara Harff
"Crimes against humanity under communist regimes" by Klas-Göran Karlsson and Michael Schoenhals
"Communism’s Bloody Century" by Stephen Kotkin
If your gonna sit here and be a genocide denier, get the fuck out of here with your debate bro talk.
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19 minutes ago, Piepstem said:
It certainly is a western-centric view and that you mention ''the facts of history'' reaffirms this. Again, I am not interested in holding a debate with people that strive to avert the topic from the issue at hand that has been mentioned in the thread and has been mentioned over and over again in the chat again.
Yes, because acknowledging the fact that 65 Million people died as a result mass deportations, forced labor camps and police-state terror under the exact same men your glorifying on your profile is having a "western-centric view". I'm sure the thousands of historians who have made their careers documenting these cases for the last 100 years are just trying to promote a "western-centric view". It's not like these regimes left thousands of documents and millions of witnesses that can confirm these events happened.
Your profile is akin to having young Hitler as the PFP and having Goebbels, Goring and Himmler as a profile banner.
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29 minutes ago, Piepstem said:
I'm not going to debate you about history and your western-centric view.
We don't have to debate, your entire profile is glorifying men who committed mass genocide, manufactured famines for political gain, created secret police organizations to round up, torture and execute their political rivals, and ordered the wholesale rape and slaughter of civilians all across Central Asia and Eastern Europe. This isn't a "western-centric view" that's literally just the facts of history.
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2 hours ago, Xaleya said:
BLM, WhiteAndProud, Nazi Stuff, w/e should be kept IC (Faction post are included in this) while OOC this kind of things shouldn't be brought up. Is simple as that.
And that’s exactly what was happening. We disagree on the forum names point but putting that aside, all that dude was doing was posting and liking posts on his factions thread.One of the self designated RP server hall monitors saw his name, got mad and then created a narrative that “oh his names X and posting Y threads, must be Nazi!”.
At least admit outside of the dudes name (which again, is a difference of opinion) the dude was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
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1 hour ago, Tsarna said:
The long game for some surely is that - first: try to ban forum names, second: try to ban actually factions, which offend them in some ways and get them out of their comfy bubbles irl. This is where the censorship bs leads us.
This is one of the biggest takeaways people should have from this thread.
White prison gangs are a controversial yet necessary faction concept for criminal RP, they play a much larger role then I think most people understand and Management has been well informed about what they do and the line between OOC and IC within them. Hence why they are allowed. Unfortunately some people refuse to educate themselves, refuse to accept that these concepts are perfectly acceptable on the server and will attempt any avenue to get them removed. The argument that this is about enforcing server rules and promoting community "health" is total bullshit. It's a cover for blanket hatred towards a specific subset of the community. They can't get the faction concepts banned outright, so they target the players behind them with the most petty bullshit they can find.
What's hilarious is the only actual racism I've seen on this thread today is from the people self reporting their own personal issues with "Gangster talk", saying shit like people should learn how to talk in actual English. I hate to break it to you, Ebonics is an actual form of English commonly used by minority groups in the US and saying "They should use actual English" is a statement regularly used by American racists to frame minority groups as stupid or inferior. You don't have an issue with people talking like gangsters, you just have a problem with black people.
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Absolutely, white wall tires are a scourge on this community and negatively effect it's overall health. As someone involved in IRL car culture, it's deeply offensive and something staff should address immediately.
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27 minutes ago, Triple Seven said:
Only the parts under full control of the server are. And it's just to keep a healthy divide between IC and OOC. I'm pretty much the last person to be offended by any sort of symbology even though people on this topic seem to think I feel personally offended by people displaying the things I described.
Again since you didn't answer the first time, how is it unhealthy? Countless players on this thread and in general have shown that even if they use WP gang references in their forum names, postings and screenshots they are not actually promoting those beliefs. It's an aesthetic choice, by the logic your showing players who like driving cars IG and also have cars as their profile picture don't have a healthy divide between OOC and IC and should be punished for it.
33 minutes ago, Triple Seven said:I just notice a lot of mixing and lack of common sense in for example forum report responses where people type as if they're their character. That's why I'd like to see the common sense of people at least trying to type in proper English from the correct perspective without street slang so they display they know the difference.
30 minutes ago, Xaleya said:It's even pissing for me try to understand the spaghetti of bullshit they are trying to say. I can understand but it pisses me off.
This exact same logic and example is used against IRL minority group to promote racist stereotypes in the United States. The fact is, people speak like that both in person and over text. It's not an actual indication of mixing OOC and IC. If you have that much of a problem with urban slang. I hate to break it to you, your a lot more racist then the people RPing Skinheads IC.
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1 minute ago, radreaper100 said:
why was the individual actually banned?
His name was "whiteandproud" and he posted/liked posts on the AB & PENI threads. That's it, full stop.
According to GTAW administrators and the chunk of the community who seems to have a hard on against WP factions (Because they don't understand them) these actions equate to being an actual real life Nazi and spreading hate.
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Just now, Triple Seven said:
As for it being a 'common trend': That doesn't mean that's a healthy development for any community.
No, I absolutely do have an issue with them. It's unhealthy in my opinion, but I respect your opinion on the matter of course. I just feel it would be healthy for the players to distinctly show they, as a player, are not supportive of the IC concept they portray. And no, that doesn't mean a player portraying white supremacy should have an antifa profile picture to prove themselves. It'd just be good to be more neutral and distant from the roleplayed concept.
How is it unhealthy? I can admit it's a little cringy, but it's a text on a screen and as others have said you can just ignore it. Which is sadly the exact opposite of what is happening, the report you linked is frankly bullshit. The dude was posting almost exclusively on the PENI and Aryan Brotherhood threads, someone had to go out of their way to find that profile and have an issue with it. It's not like he was forcing white supremist beliefs and Nazism down the communities throat.
Again, you don't even understand the RP concepts these players are trying to execute. You don't even know what they are really referencing, you just saw a WP reference and jumped to the conclusion that this person had nefarious intentions and must be a real life Nazi. It's sadly a reoccurring problem on GTAW, Mostly Europeans who don't understand Socal gangs getting frenzy because 1. They don't know this shit is incredible prevalent in SoCal and 2. jump to the conclusion that you have to be a bad person to even wanna RP something like that.
I've personally had people try to go after me for making prison gang references. People try to get you banned, your factions closed, etc. The sad part? The same people who did that eventually got to know me, realized I'm not some closeted Nazi and eventually even opened up to learning about these concepts after which they admitted they were totally wrong.
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Yeah sure if somebody has the name "adolfhitlerlover88" and is posting nazi banners all over the forums they probably don't belong here. Thing is, that's not what any of these profiles or community members are doing. Setting a "theme" for your profile that matches the type of RP you perform IG is common trend on RP servers. You can believe whatever you want about these players, but when you actually look into what their names/iconography mean it's a reference to White prison gangs/Socal gang culture not actual Nazism.
Should every profile using mob surveillance photos (Such as mine) be banned? What about profiles that show imagery associated with black or Latino street gangs? All three meet the criteria you laid out yet I doubt you have any issue with them. Your issue is with one specific subset of players and a type of RP you not only don't understand, you know absolutely nothing about. You wouldn't be making this thread if you did.
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Why do we have to go such extreme lengths to police unrealistic driving when there's a fix as simple as installing speed trap cameras on major streets through out the city?
I'm not trying to be rude I just have genuinely not heard a argument against them that doesn't revolve around just not liking speeding tickets and it seems so much more straight forward (And achievable) then what your suggesting.
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Personally, I think one the biggest problems the server faces is a classification issue. What is GTAW trying to portray? Because in my eyes a lot of these issues stem from that question. For those of us who have been around long enough, GTAW was sold as a heavy RP server with a realism focus. Keeping things as close to real life even if they make the server unenjoyable for some was the guiding principle. Now at some point the "heavy" part of heavy RP server was removed and peoples expectations and what they believe the server should be changed.
It creates endless petty arguments because as a community we are not on the same page. Every different player base and to an extent every player expects a slightly different setting from the server and it leaves everyone with a bad taste in their mouth. I think staff needs to come in and say this is what we are portraying, this is the servers lore and as long as someone's RP fits inside that box, it's allowed. Half these threads wouldn't exist because everyone would have the exact same expectations from the start.
At least then we'd have a shared foundation where we can address the servers issues from instead of having 52 different opinions fighting it out over what they personally think the server should be.
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25 minutes ago, Brofessor said:
The crime zones were never necessary if the standard expected of both new and long time players was higher. It used to be better. We shouldn’t need a roadmap of where we can and can’t commit crime. Most players utilizing common sense know what’s right and wrong. New players are still expected to read the rules. That’s the point of the application right? Sometimes even new players know they’re doing something wrong and it’s obvious when they use the ignorance card versus when they genuinely didn’t know. Players who use the ignorance card over and over are just playing the staff and getting away with it. These are the players that often end up dictating silly rules to try and combat their behavior over and over rather than get rid of them entirely after being given enough chances. There, I said it.
Just to add to this, the problem isn't a bunch of randoms who don't know or care about the rules. Sure they exist and create headaches, but it really stems from the small select group "veteran" players who receive intense favoritism from staff. It's a fucking joke on this server that the people who advice staff on Illegal RP are some of the worst culprits of OOC dealing, DMing, and PVP focus. Staff knows this, they've known about that behavior for years yet those same players always get official and always get supplier.
It's a good old boys club where your either "in" and receive all the support you could ever want or your "out" and they'll do everything in their power to kill your faction off the server (And fail).
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I think they've helped in the short term while hurting the server in the long run. When proposed the idea was if we restricted crime in certain areas, those areas would be utilized more by the entire server. In actuality I think it just killed activity in those areas even more. Vespucci Beach for example has always and still does have issues with crime. But instead of being a mixture of all factions and player types the area feels completely vacant besides the gangs that call it home. In addition it feels like LEO's have just abandoned these areas because they are "crime free" which means for the gangs that have historic claims there, they are even more unchecked then they were before. There are still patrols but they feel like they are a fraction of what they used to be.
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4 hours ago, mj2002 said:
It would be better if this was done by player organisations instead of using a script.
This ^
It's got it's problems, but leaving lotteries and scratch offs to player organizations (As it already is) is the right move, though I think little bit OOC oversight could be helpful because as @Brofessor said, scams rarely happen on that level and a lot of the scams I have seen are pretty low effort.
I'm gonna be honest, the majority of "player organizations" running lotteries/scratch offs on the server are organized crime factions. It's a great avenue for RP that rarely requires violence, is outside the normal "rob people, sell drugs, make money" grindset and creates interactions with the entire server. Considering this community has such a problem with overly violent criminals, I think taking one of the few avenues criminal RPers have to not be violent just to put it into a script with little to no RP hurts the server a lot more then people think it will.
Again, I do think there needs to be a little bit more oversight from IFM just to make sure scams (When they do happen) are at least creative and not blatantly obvious. However, that's all the changes I think we need to see.
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Massive support.
Maybe not hurricanes and tsunami's since realistically those are events that would create massive amounts of damage that would take years to recover from (New Orleans took 14 years to recover after Katrina.) But Forrest fires, flash floods, minor-medium sized earthquakes would be awesome. Events who's effects will be felt for several weeks but don't necessarily force the entire server to adjust.
Some examples:
Mudslides closing portions of the freeway system or mountain roads, limiting the connection between the larger county and the city of Los Santos. Would create some pretty interesting RP for emergency responders.
Earthquakes damaging or destroying several small connecting bridges around Los Santos. Limiting route access to certain areas.
Wildfires are the thing I'm most in favor for, I'm pretty sure we also already have the tools to deploy it as well. Imagine a fire breaking out in Banham Canyon effectively threatening USLA and the luxury homes in Vinewood Hills. Activating temporary evacuation orders, mega wealthy characters panicking because their house might burn down. To clarify I'm not in favor of using natural disasters to destroy people properties and RP, but using them to create a threat and unique scenarios would be great.
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5 minutes ago, Monster. said:
Characters that are solely contingent upon modelling regardless of its type, pornographic or non-obscene, are not to be called "characters." They are predominantly muppets whose sole existence depends on Menyoo poses, unorthodox revealing clothing mods, serrated body mods, and hourglass shapes; to then be posted on Facebrowser seeking clout, or on Quickdate seeking erotic roleplay.
Thirst is always imminent on those platforms. Characters that merely exist just to feed those exigencies should be abolished.
Hit the nail right on the head.
These characters exist as a sock puppet to self insert into sexual situations and/or personal fantasies. It's frankly disturbing a lot of the time.
I had a faction member who's minor character was approached by one of these characters awhile ago and according to the faction member, said character ignored the fact that he was a minor even though he specified it in RP and told him IC "Just come home with me and do exactly what I want and I'll pay you X amount". It was blatantly obvious said characters sole purpose was to whenever the player behind it was horny, log in game to find someone they could ERP with so they could get their rocks off OOCly.
That's fucking disgusting and a major effort needs to be made to remove these types of characters from the server.
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Are script fights perfect? No, but they are absolutely fairer and easier to execute then /me fights. Dgmr, in an ideal world everyone would play fairly and /me would be the preferred option, but GTAW isn't an ideal world. In personal experience, time and again people abuse /me fights to their advantage or an unrealistic degree. All it devolves into is who can write MMA lines the fastest, regardless of characters actual attributes.
Like I said script fights are not perfect, but the system of starting with a /me and giving the other party a moment to respond before going into the script fight is a lot better then having to deal with dudes who turn into text chat Jackie Chan the moment they get in a /me fight.
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5 minutes ago, Coburn said:
"He shot someone" isn't snitching.
"John Doe driving XXX123 from X gang has performed this shooting and two others in the same area together with Jane Doe and John Do. They hang out at X street, here's CCTV footage from all 3 incidents"
That's enough info to land all 3 in jail for at least an hour, that's snitching.
Calling 911 can give you a response time of 10 seconds or 10 hours. Doesn't mean you snitch. Criminals should learn to do their stuff more quietly.
My dude your just describing the difference between regular snitching and dry snitching.Like I said the literal definition when you look up “snitching” on google is “to inform on someone”. This isn’t a matter of personal opinion, this a fact well established by the fucking dictionary.
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7 minutes ago, Coburn said:
Snitches are for previous members who spill enough beans for your organisation to be broken up.
Calling the cops doesn't count.
What’s your evidence?
because the literal definition of “Snitching” is “to inform on someone”.
Ya’ll are only arguing these semantics because you know admitting it’s snitching would immediately invalidate your argument.
Close/Restrict the General Discussions forum
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I'm not saying close everything off complete, if someone approaches staff with a genuinely good discussion topic it can be posted and heavily monitored from that point on. But the vast majority of these threads are just vague suggestive posts that normally lean heavily one way or the other significantly effecting the discussion.
This thread is a great example. It really is just a suggestion but by posting it in general discussion it just opens it up to endless back and forth since staff seems to think these threads need to remain open until they reach a toxic breaking point. However that's not how suggestion threads are treated at all. In the suggestion forums, people debate back and forth about the actual suggestion and if it's something staff isn't looking to address its quickly shut down.