Trupiano
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@Koko so there are a few points you bring up I've seen repeated and I wanna address.
8 hours ago, Koko said:The level of crime is also just too high compared to the volume of LEOs to just leave units sitting around in specific neighborhoods that are empty 90% of the day and where criminals feed of opportunistic crime.
I'm not saying park cops on empty streets to "fill them", but my mind immediately goes to the Rockford station. From what I understand, officially it closed because of some bugs but speaking with some friends in LEO factions a very large reason for closing it was also the fact that people found it boring compared to the excitement of being able to patrol the entire city or the calls they might get from say Mission Row. Having run a business in the area before, during and after there was a distinct difference in the amount of officers patrolling the area when the station was open.
8 hours ago, Koko said:not referring to the well-orchestrated ones, but rather the silly ones where a black SUV with four guys drifts in front of you in the middle of a main avenue like they were 1800s highwaymen in the middle of the forest
Another big point is, I'm 99% sure this isn't allowed and a lot of the times when I see people complaining bad robberies they are complaining about robberies that are clearly against the rules. Now to me, the first logical solution is to crack down on the quality of those robberies before we start jumping to change major aspects of the server. Meeting bad RP with more bad RP is not going to "solve" this issue either, unless (And this is the mentality I see a lot) solving the issue just means leveling the playing field without taking things like "What would my character actually do?" into account and leads to the aids situations of having club going cat girls turn into female John Wicks the minute they find themselves in a bad situation.
8 hours ago, Koko said:Also whenever the argument is brought to increase length of jail sentences, the counterargument is instantly brought up by tens of accounts defending that jail is somehow an OOC punishment, that it's not fun, and that it wouldn't be fair.
I mean my whole counter point to this has always been, you can't make someone RP in jail. It's always a suggestion by people who aren't lifers and who aren't involved with the jail scene. If my main is in jail for three IRL weeks, yeah I'm going to log onto an alt and play on the street for a good chunk of it because that's where like 75% of the fun shit on the server exists. Now, what I will say and goes back to what I said before about staff cracking down is if someone is getting arrested for robbery and then immediately logs onto an alt to commit another robbery, it should be something that's treated as chain robbing. It's something that should be punished.
This discussion, in the same vein that always comes up with this topic is the nuclear option. It won't make the server better, it won't solve the issues people say it will, it'll only devolve the server into more violence, more killing and more bad RP. I'm all for addressing the issue, but frankly peoples reasonings for wanting this are pretty clear. No matter how many reasons I see brought up, it always boils down to "They get to shoot me, I should get to shoot them" with absolutely no consideration for if it makes sense for their character. That's an MMORPG mentality, not a heavy RP one.
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1 hour ago, pateuvasiliu said:
If a criminal doesn't get CKed while robbing someone, a civilian shouldn't be CKed while fighting off the criminal. That's a double standard and an unfair rule that makes criminals apex predators which they really shouldn't be.
Lmao no it doesn't. Criminals are committing a crime, they are putting themselves already at immense risk to personal freedom by their actions. How about we stop acting like criminals are some unchecked entity to strengthen this argument when there is literally two factions who entire role is to check them.
1 hour ago, pateuvasiliu said:You're comparing a criminal getting out a gun in a 1v10 against cops ( and they rarely get CKed for it anyway ) with a civilian getting out a gun in a 1v1. Definitely not the same thing.
It's on PD to force those CK's through, if they aren't doing it that's on them. If staffs not allowing it then they are clearly falling back on their word, but that's not the criminals fault. Your right 1v10 with cops is not the same as 1v1 during a robbery, but your willfully ignore the fact that if somebody has a gun pointed to your head in a robbery and you try to John Wick your CCW out to defend yourself, your going to killed. It's NVFL and it warrants a CK.
There are also a dozen other avenues to address this issue IC that people refuse to examine because why actually try to find a solution that fits law abiding citizens when we can just change the server rules to meet force with force. Create a neighborhood watch, pressure the police to increase patrols in your areas, weird how we want to complain about "unrealistic robberies" in places like Rockford but we also don't want to permanently deploy officers there. Pressure your politicians, get certain areas designated as "crime freezones" and create severe IC penalties for getting caught there.
So much shit that could be done and would create so much RP but nope, lets just jump straight to giving everyone a gun.
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I mean it's pretty simple. If you want to shoot it out, shoot it out. But don't cry when you die and get CKed. Just like if a criminal tries to shoot it out with cops, they are liable to get CKed.
12 hours ago, liq said:P.S. This has nothing to do with taking an L and carrying on with your day or with the typical Itsumi Takumi PF/CCW welding folks. It specifically has to do with people who role-play characters who'd have reason(s) to stand their ground and the means to as well, whatever those reasons may be. Not looking for the fairness in role-play crusaders but for whether or not the existence of the gun draw anims play a part in this.
The issue is, while I understand where your coming from. The fact remains that everyone personally believes their character has a perfectly good reason to stand their ground. Does the current line in the sand limit characters who actually do? Absolutely, but changing it would just mean for every 5 people who actually have a reason you'll have another 100 who just don't wanna take the L and will shoot it out because losing assets is the same as dying to them.
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3 hours ago, Vassilios said:
It's not integral. If I don't want to see your /b then I shouldn't need to. If you need something "important" PM me.
Yes because when shit hits the fan, let me just take 15 minutes to PM every individual person in a room.
Is /b annoying? Yes. Do people spam it with irrelevant shit? Yes. I get it, it's aids to deal with in the majority of situations. But in the event that it is needed, it's crucial and it's important that everyone can see it. This suggestion only serves to create more headaches then it solves. If we're really that frustrated as a community by people abusing /b, why don't we try cracking down on it before we start suggestion significant changes that'll create more of a burden on staff and players.
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31 minutes ago, pateuvasiliu said:
Desync while driving can happen very often, though. Ask LEOs how you need to do PITs nowadays, because of how bad the sync is. ( you need to aim half a car ahead of where you want to hit ) If on your screen you clipped someone's back during a crash the odds that on theirs you didn't hit them are really high.
Ok but that's during a police chase that likely has multiple cop cars (With lights on) chasing someone through an area. Your anecdote doesn't apply to the greater problem as a whole. That being people driving at speeds that their PC can't keep up with leading to them crashing into people and things which haven't loaded in for them.
My point is, I don't see how people can call Desync whenever they crash when they are the ones causing the lag on themselves. It's one thing if the server is legitimately lagging and people are rubber banding. But that's rarely the case, normally it's a dude driving 100mph through Vespucci/Downtown/Vinewood, all high pop areas and then being surprised when they run head on into a line of police cars blocking the street.
The frustrating part is it's easily avoidable. Driving the speed limit and pulling over for a few moments when you start noticing floating names or vehicles loading in just as you pass is super easy, super quick and 9/10 allows your computer enough time to catch up and stops you from crashing into shit like this. But people don't do that because why would they when they can just go "/b oops, Desync!" and continue on driving like this is GTAO.
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The server becoming more and more accustom to voiding car crashes has directly lead to more people driving like maniacs at 120mph because they can get away with it. Additionally I see people saying "Oh well Rage has horrible dsync, it's not my fault" but it really is. 9/10 the person crying dsync after the crash were the ones driving at a speed that their PC just couldn't keep up with. They didn't crash because the server was laggy, they crashed because they were being reckless and they should face the consequence for that.
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Seems normal to me.
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7 minutes ago, Nervous said:
You can suggest a new car.
The car is not sellable.
What about a tank? I promise I won't sell it.
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Just now, Jura said:
Interesting that something from the base game makes you lag but the additional tree and other object mods don’t, maybe that’s something the modding team could look into
Yeah I mean from what I've heard the snow version of Los Santos is a different map mod. I'd love to see a system where they can just flip snow on for a few hours, have a freak snow storm here and there during the winter to just shake things up. But as it currently stands, again going off what I know adding snow to the server is not currently just a simple fix and has had hiccups every year. In my eyes? It's just not worth it to try the same experiment every year when we kind of already know what the probably outcome is.
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Just now, Jura said:
Apart from the snow appearing inside interiors, what other bugs are there?
For some people there were graphical problems, I personally suffered really bad frames to the point I just stopped playing till the snow was removed. That might seem like small potatoes to some but in my eyes, it's just not worth the hassle for something that's always been underwhelming and somewhat problematic when implemented.
An additional thing that holds me back is the timing, if this was gonna happen for a few days in late January? Fuck it, fine. But people want it in peak holiday season. Maybe, we do it and nothing happens. But going off the last 3 years, your going to have a bunch of people with finally enough free time to play during the holiday break only to find that the servers basically fucked for you.
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9 minutes ago, Vassilios said:
To anyone who has said no to this. Do give actual feedback.
It's pretty simple, snow is just a buggy mess. Every year we have this discussion, every year staff and veteran community members point to the previous years problem and every year staff caves after 3 different 25 page forum threads only to have to pull the snow days early because of bugs, poor server performance or people just not liking it after about 48 hours.
It's just not worth it at all. There's not much feedback to give besides that.
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They should have just put the universal remote back on docking station, smh.
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The big three that come to mind that also exist on the server right now:
- Dock workers: We've got a good handful but I'll be honest, it's mostly people from Italian, Chinese and Russian OC factions. I often see people complain about how unfulfilling the RP from trucking, bartending or doing security. The docks are a great alternative that pays well and your actually going to get to interact and RP with people across a super wide variety of RP.
- Construction workers: 100% exists on the server although it varies in how much can be done. City Hall, the Rockford Dome and a few other buildings were built ICly at the same time that they were being OOCly mapped. The biggest issue I've seen is there's not enough work, the money that pays construction workers doesn't come from nowhere. In the case of say City Hall it's apart of the construction bid, the issue with construction bids is they only come around so often and only when the gov faction getting the building wants to go through that IC process. So when hypothetically PD gets a brand new station and just OOC maps it and NPC's the construction (Something you can't really blame them for doing) It takes away a ton of potential for construction RP.
- Garbagemen: While the script job has been around for awhile, we're just now starting to see some organized RP around it. As far as I know, there are two companies so far doing it. But the skies the limit and like doing dock work, you can meet and RP with a wide variety of people you otherwise wouldn't.
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2 hours ago, Ronnie two poles said:
Why? Are people that sensitive IRL, here?
Like I stated in my original comment, I don't think we can boil it down to people being just too sensitive. A lot of the people I see become agitated by the existence of skinhead gangs are European. I think this plays a huge role as unlike you or I (I believe your American Ronnie) WW2 and Nazism isn't just something that happened in a far off land, it's something that dramatically effected your family, your community and your nation.
Taking that into account, I can understand why someone would be shocked or confused by just how much Nazism and it's attached iconography is not only used but embraced by a noticeable percentage of the US population. I think the middle ground we have now where White power criminal groups are allowed but white power political groups are not is good for everyone. If you've got a problem with the criminal groups existing, tough shit because anyone who's actually researched them can tell you the symbols are just symbolism and they are 100% money motivated not race motivated. But I can't see the political groups adding anymore good RP then the unavoidable can of worms allowing them would open.
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11 minutes ago, eTaylor said:
But classifying everyone with a different opinion as “whiny children” doesn’t contribute to tribalism? Who would’ve thought!I didn't classify people with a different opinion as being whiny children. I classified people who make vague salt posts about this shit as whiny children because that's what they are. All they are doing is whining toxically until they get there way instead of actually putting a point forward.
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2 minutes ago, Sush said:
I put up with this shit every day for literal years and I'm sick and tired of it. Forgive me for getting agressive but I refuse to put up with this any longer and intend to come down on people like a tonne of bricks every time it happens from now on. They have no respect for me, so why should I be required to provide that respect back?
I hear and understand your frustration, don't think I'm trying to excuse the actions of these people. I was specifically going after the type of comment you made because I see it with increasing frequency and while you might only be talking about those people. Your alienated me and everyone else in the community who could be your ally in this discussion. Not only that, your not even doing yourself any favors because your just coming off as toxic and regularly the replies like yours that set me off will just derail threads into "Criminal bad" nonsense.
It drives all of us into tribes, it makes us think about the issues irrationally and causes each tribe to promote solutions that don't address the issues, they just clamp down on the other tribe. Just like this suggestion does.
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Just now, Sush said:
Because even when confronted with evidence your entire reply is still blaming/accusing me. I'm not going to continue to argue with somebody who provides no evidence to the contrary and cannot differentiate your and you're. Thanks.
You didn't confront me with any evidence? If anything you proved my point. You vaguely salt posted about a situation to make it seem like it's an issue that's not being addressed and then you admitted a couple posts later that in fact it was addressed and the players got banned.
Insult my grammar all you want, it doesn't make me wrong it just shows that you couldn't defend your fucking point lmao.
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Just now, Sush said:
They broke into a house without admin permission, lock picked a safe with no admin present. A forum report was made by that person and the players involved were subsequently banned. You always spout that if you want something done make a report and I do constantly. What have you done to resolve this exactly? You can stand on the podium all you want but I'm out here reporting these idiots essentially weekly. I don't see you making any effort outside of, ironically posting in general complaining about people who post in general. Thank you for all your years of service, sir.
See you didn't say any of that. You don't provide any of the context, you just reference the situation as vaguely as possible in a way that alluded to the idea that said behavior is acceptable when in reality you know that these people got banned. You know this behavior isn't acceptable, you are just trying to make this seem like a more prevalent issue then it is to get the solutions you want. If your just going to complain until the day that you never have to report someone because no one is breaking the rules, well that days never fucking coming. This is a community that is always expanding and new players will always show up with a poor understanding of the rules or RP in general.
You must feel very good about the fact that you report people, I don't run into these issues as much as you seem to (Though, your quoting someone elses situation so it makes me question how much it's happening to you specifically in the first place) so I don't really have anything to report. But I admit regularly that issues must exist and I work privately with members of staff, PD High Command and the illegal community to find solutions that works for everyone.
This is ultimately a community of both illegal RPers and Legal RPers and until everyone takes a step back and realizes that any solution we find to any problem will have to work for both, we aren't gonna get anywhere. But keep salt posting, I'm sure that'll find a productive solution.
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God you are all such whiny fucking children.
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6 minutes ago, peasoup said:
I guess disruptive white supremacists are fine when the trolling is just a side gig to the meth dealing...
I was literally typing out "The community can't even handle skinhead gang without having an episode" but here's just a prime example.
People act like this whenever the skinhead gangs come up even though there is endless documentation and evidence that the criminal element of skinhead gangs are money motivated, not race motivated. Imagine the shit show that would arise if actually race motivated groups started showing up. I'm not gonna lie though, it's peoples fault for not doing research but I can understand a predisposition towards this subject. This is a European community and I don't think I need to explain to anyone Europe's dark history involving the far right and far left of the political spectrum. I also know we'll never be able to explain to people with this predisposition how the beliefs, iconography and motives of said groups have remained a part of the political conversation in America.
It's just best for everyone to leave it how it is.
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Yeah no.
Nothings off limits is an actual robbery. Why should it be off limits on the server? Because you don't understand why they want to take it? It doesn't matter why they want to take. If they rob you and take your bubblegum, who cares? If I was getting robbed I wouldn't exactly be thinking "ugh, why are you taking my bubblegum! It doesn't even hold any value!". Your mad because you got robbed and lost all your items and so your suggesting a rule that would make it easier to just move on from a robbery like nothing happened. Don't really have to RP losing much if your characters primary items are off limits. You can dress this suggestion however you like but ultimately that's exactly what it boils down to.
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6 minutes ago, Timzii said:
Once again, with the proposed change which Trupiano wrote down, how would this make any different development? With the new system, you'd go to trial and potentially to life in jail after a single murder, assuming heftier charges would require a required case by a judge which decides at his own discretion what to do with you. If they sentenced you to life, off of one second degree of first degree murder, would that bright more development to you, even if the outcome would be same and potentially even sooner than accumulating the criminal points. I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
From what I understand is that there would almost be two judges in each case where this is used. You've got the IC judge deciding if there's a real IC case for life and you've got an admin who decides if the "CK" is warranted. Additionally and what I pointed out in my first reply to this thread, I don't think the very best implementation in this is going to be perma life. I think where this would really be helpful are sentences outside of the the normal OOC guidelines, things like 3 months - 1 IRL year. Practically a life sentence on this server but at least your character gets out eventually. Anybody who's put a character inside for 6 months then comes back outside knows the server changes almost entirely in that amount of time.
I get it could be frustrating to go to trial and potentially get life for a single crime but ultimately I think everyone would prefer that knowing that they were actually being investigated, people were actually trying to put them in jail. Because as it currently stands it's just basically game over when you hit the 30 mark and you know that there wasn't that much done on the LEO end, you just got caught too many times.
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36 minutes ago, Triple Seven said:
The points system is a way to create lifers from development
Wouldn't a system that judges the facts of a crime and not just arbitrary number of crimes you've been convicted of be better at doing this though? You say it leads to lifers being created out of development but frankly this isn't true the point system is meant to target solely people who crimegrind while for the rest of us it's just an annoyance. I could commit the most brutal murder ever with 0 points and only get a few days in jail but if I have 29 points and accidently shoot and kill someone, my character gets a life sentence.
43 minutes ago, Triple Seven said:and if a single arrest gets you to that, you'll have to consider: would this have happened in real life with the crimes my character committed? (and if not, change it, if yes: don't) So yes, being careful helps.
A single arrest would take multiple murders to put you over the 30 mark It has absolutely nothing to do with how careful you are. It doesn't even help, your promoting the narco hit squad mentality that so many people are against. Because the point system incentives people to conduct themselves that way. How you conducted the crime has no bearing on your sentence, it's purely about if you get caught or not.
49 minutes ago, Triple Seven said:I merely stated that criminals are (at least almost always) obvious. I sincerely hope that isn't completely true, it's just my impression. And my response has everything to do with the suggestion, as it speaks of consequences, which the points system is part of.
Please explain to me how the consequences of the points system are greater incentives then the ones laid out by this suggestion. Because within the points system, there are no real consequences until you reach the 30 point mark while this suggestion would allow even first time offenders to be charged with a life sentence based on the facts of their case.
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3 minutes ago, Timzii said:
I don't think Sheriff's or Police's Detective Bureau will change that much, however I'm more worried about JSA and DA having even more workload, which they struggle with already judging by certain change of rules they've introduced not so long ago. But in general I'd agree with what you've proposed in better detail than the OP of the thread, however would someone, who committed a first or second degree murder, have to have a mandatory case if the criminal points wouldn't be a thing anymore? Essentially the system you're proposing will be less criminal friendly from my thoughts, seeing that actual serious crimes would be required cases each time, whilst potentially being stuck in jail for even longer time during the case with no guarantee they would see the freedom again.
Would it create more work for everyone? Absolutely. But I think the potential positives outweigh the negatives. The biggest complaint I see from detectives in both LEO factions is that investigations are worthless, three months of work to give someone a couple points and a few days in jail. Your right we won't see any immediate change but ever so slowly I believe LEO's will realize the power of this change. I think OP put to much emphasis on the fact that judges would be the ones applying for this, the way I see it these apps would be a collaborative effort between everyone in justice RP. You've got DB assembling the facts, the DA making the argument and the judge ultimately deciding if they put in the work.
Your right, this would force a lot more cases to trial, but I think it's important to understand that this would fundamentally change cases. As it currently stands, going to trial is basically a formality. You commit a crime, get convicted you get X amount of points. If you have a low number of point you can just eat the charge no issue, it only forces you to really interact with the court system once you get near the lifer mark. When your stuck in jail you know this and so people just want to get on with it so they can keep playing. This just opens up each case to have serious consequences, no longer will you be able to commit a murder and be out in a few days because you had 0 points. You go out and try to act like a Narco hit squad and your going to get clapped by a judge the first time you get arrested. At the same time however, it opens up each life sentence to be fought which in turn would actually make it worth wild to stay in jail and try to fight your case. It's a real light at the end of the tunnel where as the with the point system it's just the illusion of such.
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