The absurd amount of hostility between LEOs and criminals

[Decker]

7 minutes ago, shoot instant said:

You say that but it's a two-way street and from my experiences it's the LEO that doesn't respect the two-way street. In their minds it's their way or no way. No room to negotiate, no room to create conversation.

The example below, the officer is in bold. Tell me if you find it extremely nooby or unrealistic for a grown ass cop to be throwing fades with fourteen year old whiteboys. He was pressing me to hand discipline to some random kid who's talking to us IG. I do understand where you're coming from but I honestly want to see a change in LEO first before GangRPers make adjustments. It's always the IllegalRP Community who have to change and not vice versa.
 

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Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Ey', how you boys doin'?
Steve Morgan says: I don't talk to pigs.
* Kelvin Tellez looks up at Emilio and perks a eyebrow and faint grin at Steve.
Michael Ma says: Ey, I'm not gonna lie? I'm just tryna be here for the next case.
Kelvin Tellez says: Dang foo wus straight to the point.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Yea'? How 'bout you show some fuckin' respect, kid? You ain't street smart?
Steve Morgan says: How about you suck my balls, faggot.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Yo' daddy never teach you to show respect?
* Michael Ma wheezes.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Get the fuck outta' here, schoolyard cholo.
Steve Morgan says: Nah you get outta here.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Oh, huh?
Steve Morgan says: I was here before your bald thumb looking head showed up.
* Emilio Cifuentes peered to Kelvin, brow raised as he'd gesture his head to Steve.
* Kelvin Tellez finds amusement in a bad situation, he chuckles lightly.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: This retard with you?
Steve Morgan says: I'm on my own dumbass.
Kelvin Tellez says: Ey Officer I'on know why you gettin pressed by a luh fourteen year old mane.
Steve Morgan says: 'cause he insecure about his tiny little dick.
Kelvin Tellez says: Nigga's just a kid he gon say stupid shit fuck you expect?
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: I gotta' know if west-side thirteen over here bein' trouble to the blue.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: You gon' be trouble with him?
Steve Morgan says: Kick rocks dude.
* Steve Morgan wafts his hand.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: I gotta' push my hand down to your little cholo set?
Kelvin Tellez says: Wesside what?
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Or you gon' teach this fuckin' dumbass some manners?
Kelvin Tellez says: You talking to me?
Steve Morgan says: I'll teach you manners by sticking my balls in your mouth baldy.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Ch'yea', I'm talkin' to you, vato.
* Michael Ma eyes the interaction, scratching his jaw.

 

* Horacio Varnor flanks Emilio's side. He has his hands pocketed still, glancing at it.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Little gringo here thinks he's big, you get this?
Steve Morgan says: 'Ey bro, get your boyfriend under control.
* Emilio Cifuentes peered to Horacio, grinning.
Kelvin Tellez says: Ey this little nigga ain even from here foo I'on know why you trippin over me to smack him?
Horacio Varnor says: Yeah? Wha' he done?
Kelvin Tellez says: You ain making sense to me ma boy.
* Horacio Varnor asks Steve, glancing at him.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Acting on some fuckin' schoolyard game.
Steve Morgan says: He being a foo', real skante fiend.
* Emilio Cifuentes chuckled.
Horacio Varnor says: You gotta' be more specific than that bro.
* Kelvin Tellez gesticulates Horacio to Emilio.
Horacio Varnor says: He said something?
Steve Morgan says: He off the percs bro.
Kelvin Tellez says: Check your boy ova here.
* Emilio Cifuentes grinned from ear to ear.
Kelvin Tellez says: He movin weird.

* Kelvin Tellez leans forward with both elbows perched on his knees, he looks disinterested with the LSPD Officers.
Steve Morgan says: Nah, you a pedo too?
Horacio Varnor says: Pablo, man.
Horacio Varnor says [low]: Weiss still out here, bro.
* Horacio Varnor hushes to Emilio's flank.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Put yo' money where yo' mouth is, kid. C'mon.
> Jasper Jones smirks shaking his head.
Steve Morgan says: You wanna run my fade homie?
Horacio Varnor says [low]: Hold your ass till she dash, dawg.
* Steve Morgan pulls his pants up.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Tryin' to act big headass.
* Horacio Varnor walks off momentarily.
Steve Morgan says: Let's go then ugly ass.
* Emilio Cifuentes gestured his hand over.
Jasper Jones says [low]: Yeah serpent's out here bro, hold that thought.
Michael Ma says [low]: Ey, ey, lil homie can get the first shot in though?
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: C'mon, kid. You all word, throw a punch, kid.

 

Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: A'ite lil' man. C'mon, you were actin' up. Now you hesitating?
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: What's that about?
> Steve Morgan chuckles.
Kelvin Tellez says: Ey whiteboy these niggas will /kill/ you foo, stop playin.
Steve Morgan says: Pussy ass bitch.
Kelvin Tellez says: I know dirt when I see it dog.
* Steve Morgan steps back on his BMX.
Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Ch'yea', kid. Go back to school.

* Steve Morgan runs at Emilio, suckerpunching him in the face.
* Kelvin Tellez records the fight with his iPhone
Horacio Varnor says: Hey, hey, dawg.
* Horacio Varnor stands in Kelvin's way.
* Kelvin Tellez lowers it once Horacio's in the way, he ups his chin.
Horacio Varnor says: Put the phone down bro—Your flashlight annoying my ass, bro.
* Horacio Varnor moves in tandem with Kelvin.
* Emilio Cifuentes dropped Steve with a few punches.
Emilio Cifuentes says: Yea'?
* Steve Morgan gets dropped by the older male. He falls down on his ass.

I have another example of a very bad traffic stop, ya'll pulled 3 extra vehicles and a helicopter for a traffic stop over tints? Even the Officers escalated when we just wanted to roleplay.

That spoiler is really sad to be honest, the worst part is that half of the shit the deputy in the chatlogs was saying would get any real life LEO fired and probably charged, not even gonna bring up the fact that any cop would think twice about talking like that to a gang member, especially a Hispanic one. Members of Hispanic Sureno gangs are notorious for being cop killers.

[hamin]

Yay! More calling out people and blaming the other side in an endless loop! Can we all just agree that there's alot to improve both for LEOs and criminal rpers alike? A lot more here, a bit less there, whatever - But both sides have downflaws that can be improved on, ignoring that and just blaming the other side isn't going to do jack shit but deepen the problem this thread is trying to address

[Decker]

1 minute ago, thekillergreece said:

I think this is important to bold why the conversation got escalated.

"I don't talk to pigs" is pretty standard for a gang member. Gang members don't want to be seen as snitches, so they don't talk or get friendly with cops.

 

The deputy in question wasn't acting like a cop though.

[don dada]

Just now, thekillergreece said:

Emilio Cifuentes says [low]: Ey', how you boys doin'?
Steve Morgan says: I don't talk to pigs.

 

I think this is important to bold why the conversation got escalated.

As for the bad traffic stop, I don't know the context so I can't judge. Like, if the driver was wanted, if the car was wanted in connection to something and ton of more.

A quick /examine would easily identify Steve Morgan as a juvenile. And off the bat the Officer should've not got reeled in by that first line of I don't talk to pigs. I wouldn't have taken that seriously, my character didn't take Steve seriously neither. But Emilio did and he ate all the bait when he should be trained otherwise. It's nonetheless a bad encounter.

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