Streetsy

Starting.

If only they regulated their ads better and enforced a certain standard consistently. I would love to see people able to look for work while in-game rather than having to go to the forums exclusively. I just don't want to see the idiotic, "19/f/looking for work/experience in all things/expert of all" type ads. The ads platform isn't regulated all that well already. Total support if staff commits to policing the shit ads versus the serious players. Last couple times I reported ads against the rules, I got a couple annoyed responses that they saw it already. So I've stopped reporting dumb ads as a result lol.

Cherry picking part of your post, but only to expand on a point. The sheer amount of people who are willing and wanting to fuck over an average joe looking for drugs is astronomical. There's always an angle. Rob them after the deal. Scam them. Whatever. Sure, one can argue that someone made the wrong connections and it happens. I get it. I've had several characters who have had both experiences. More bad deals than good, but it's whatever. I try to go with the flow, but many aren't so relaxed about it lol. Its so incredibly easy to find connections in real life for pretty much whatever you want. Clubs. Bars. Hell anywhere. These people don't want to fuck over their customer base because well.... they want them to come back. The ratio is highly skewed here for whatever reason. People just don't deal drugs to deal. As a result, people stop buying because they're tired of getting fucked twice over. It's a vicious cycle.

@Wuhtah As a PM admin, insight into this would be nice. As far as I have heard, this is the kind of stuff that happens to regular businesses and why people don't want to deal with it. Sure, extortion is a part of the game but its pretty crazy here. Even the ritzy places aren't safe from it though. Extortion is pretty poorly RP'd for the most part (not always) and used as a cheap, low-effort cash cow rather than a means to further the RP development & experience of both sides. Civilians get put into a bad spot having to choose between what fear-RP should be displayed and doing what would make sense IRL (calling the cops). Calling the cops in our world gets you beat up, shot, your business burned down, the whole 9 yards. Running a business with this constantly? This also wears people down from wanting to run them altogether. This is not the sole contributor to the issues brought up in this thread, but it is a good chunk of it.

Great attitude. Not rude or anything. Looting unrealistically is what happens a majority of the time, hence the entire point of this discussion or management wouldn’t see a need to intervene. So looting is the problem no matter how you word it. In a perfect world I would totally support you as harsher punishments would be great, but we don’t get that here. Expecting them at this point is just as naive as continuing to trust people to do this properly. It’s not nonsense, it’s just how it is.

Yep this goes back to my original point. I think there would be more middle-class places if the mindset of both parties was different. It does become a hassle to have to deal with issues day in, day out. Trolls causing issues for no reason, skirting the line between breaking rules and not. They don’t necessarily break them, hence they don’t get punished. I’ve seen plenty of times where people go into establishments and you can tell they are obviously looking for trouble with little to no reason. The once in a while issues? No problem. EVERY time you open? It gets very bothersome. I live for a good dive bar. I just hate seeing them open and inevitably someone says something about someone else’s mother for no reason and a Wild West shootout happens. Not once, but every opening. Hell even a high-end art gallery isn’t safe, so the ritzy doesn’t always help. Happened just yesterday. Two guys who would NEVER realistically walk through those front doors, came in to just harass the patrons. They were clearly from the hood. Examines, clothing, vernacular. They wouldn’t have ever driven over there and walked in. It’s highly doubtful. It was clearly meant to troll and cause trouble since there wasn’t much else to do at that time. It gets old.

Well clearly that hasn’t worked or this wouldn’t even be a discussion. Looting was already frowned upon. It didn’t do any good. People would be even worse loot goblins if there were more guns they could get their hands on, don’t be naive. Obviously this is a much larger issue than you or I realize or management wouldn’t have even brought this up. The loot mentality needs to stop. Punishing hasn’t worked. Relying on players to report hasn’t worked. Suggest a reasonable alternative.

Nervous already said they won’t be fixable because of just that. There’d be no point to this new system if they could be fixed. People would still loot broken guns to have them fixed.

I disagree with the notion that it’s the majority who doesn’t loot. I’d argue it’s the other way around because of the sheer frequency that it happens. In this case the majority is the problem and as such, this solution is necessary in some form or fashion. This wouldn’t even had been a staff discussion if it wasn’t so widespread and obviously an issue larger than most people realize. Major support for this.

In a perfect world, sure. I’d agree with you. Fact is that our community doesn’t really take punishments seriously. Looting was already frowned upon but people still do it way too often. There isn’t enough of a hardline stance currently to push that narrative. People get off far too light for breaking rules and that’s certainly not your fault. It’s above you. That’s been discussed at length so let’s not delve further into that. People who are breaking these rules repeatedly don’t think twice. Change that narrative? I’d be all aboard. 100%. Until then and back to the main issue needing to be addressed, I think this system with some of the proposed suggestions would be ideal for everyone involved, staff and community.

Wouldn’t this in essence increase workload on the back end though? If someone’s gun gets stolen after they die in public and looting is against the rules entirely? You can be damn sure there’s going to be a player report. Guaranteed every shoot out where a player gets looted becomes a report because they know it’s definitely, not situationally against the rules. If the goal was to reduce admin workload, simply making looting against the rules won’t do it. It would make it worse.

I think everyone would win if there was a bit of a silent, unspoken middleground during a business opening. An appreciated truce where everyone for the most part acts normal. Most business owners just don't want to be bothered because someone always comes in and ruins it. It's not usually the good side of the criminal scene either, its a troll. Improper escalation causing a shooting or something. It does become a headache when it's every opening or every other opening. I enjoy interacting with criminals and civilians equally, but as a business owner I can imagine it becomes taxing. You end up kicking people out, they come back and try to beat the hell out of you or kill you. It's never the majority of the criminal scene either and that's the sad part. We could all do better without the trolls who usually ruin it for everyone.

I would love to see this, especially if you’ve taken the time to find such a property that clearly the previous owner didn’t want anymore. I think it would expedite this process for everyone involved.

I don't think it's that bad honestly, but its still finding people who are willing to deal with that. Obviously a lot of the legal scene isn't willing to unfortunately, which is why we have such ridiculous places catered towards the rich.

I think a lot of it has to do with people (namely business owners) who do not want to experience the ups and downs, confrontations, trouble and turmoil that an "average joe" type bar or business brings. If you open up a dive bar that obviously caters to the lower to middle class (both legal / illegal / whatever), it's going to come with a certain stigma. It's more than likely you're going to have a fight or two or several, extortion attempts, the massive problem of improper escalation leading to someone getting shot every time you open, etc. A lot of players simply don't want to deal with it and I wish more of them were mentally equipped to handle it. It does indeed get tiring that you open a business and it ends up closing down because someone wants to start shit for no reason. If people could be more level headed when they enter the business, I think more people would be inclined to take this avenue of business role play. Instead people wall it off with luxury to try and keep all that out, which doesn't always work regardless. To be clear --- I'm all for opening a low income, dive bar / trashy business. I'm just stating the reality of our current server sentiment of a lot of players.