Restricted faction concept on Nortenos

[sparky]

dont make me into a red ragging sureno... I DONT WANT TO

[Artist]

13 hours ago, Decker said:

The point I'm making is that the only reason eMe is okay with red rag surenos, or Clanton 14 for that matter is because of the lack of Norteno presence in SoCal, and no, the 14 has nothing to do with Clanton's feuds with other Sureno gangs, but it doesn't make the fact that Clanton's main rivals are other Sureno hoods and not Nortenos any less significant, which means my point is correct. Your average Sureno's biggest enemy is another Sureno, not a Norteno. Nortenos don't matter to your average Sureno.

 

Because I've literally seen Norteno portrayal done poorly on every server I've been on and no, I understand the difference between Surenos & Nortenos you're simply refusing to acknowledge the points I'm making. Most Norteno factions just act like Surenos that wear red because the players don't understand the concept., so they might aswell just rp red rag Surenos. They're definitely not the same, but players act like they're the same because of a lack of knowledge.

 

You can say that, sure, but it doesn't make it true. Most other faction portrayals like Crips & Bloods are nothing like the beef between Nortenos & Surenos and it can't really be compared to anything else. You can say my point applies to Blood & Crip facs for example but that's untrue because Crips & Bloods formed in roughly the same area so it makes sense for them to beef on sight, Nortenos & Surenos started on opposite sides of a state and very rarely come into contact with eachother because of that.

 

On 8/2/2022 at 6:01 PM, Decker said:

I don't know why people wanna roleplay Nortenos so bad. They're literally just gonna act like Surenos who wear red like they did on LSRP, along with taking 5 mile drives to LS to beef with random Surenos.

What have I not acknowledged I have simply been asking questions about why you feel this way? What other servers are you talking about on rage you have mentioned LSRP which I am guessing you are talking about their samp server on GTA San Andreas I am talking about GTA 5 which are two different games and why should people not be able to roleplay Nortenos because of something that happened on a different game and on a different server? What do you mean Surenos and Nortenos rarely come into contact the Surenos from Southern California might not but the Surenos from Central California and Northern California do. What Norteno factions act like Surenos and wear red where are these factions you are talking about? I have only seen one Norteno faction on GTA world and they got shutdown that day I have also seen a Norteno inmate being shown in character stories but it did not continue because of the faction getting denied. Last question do you believe in giving Nortenos a shot on this server or no because of what you say has happened on other servers and because you think players lack knowledge?

[Decker]

Contrary to what you might believe I do believe in giving them a shot. However I'm very pessimistic to the idea because of past shitty experiences with poor factions and silly players.

Edited August 9, 2022 by Decker

[Faugh]

@Decker Think you're confusing the early days of Nuestra Raza, when they were Bulldogs 14 who operated like Sureños.

When the coup happened (I led with Kami & Apathy), which a lot of people aren't aware of, NR was created and the fundamentals of a Norteño operational structure was brought to bare. In no way under my leadership did NR operate like Sureños as the whole structure was based on a regiment. Very rare did we beef people outside of East Los, nevermind Sureños. We had numerous agreements in place with the Mexican Mafia leadership at the time. 

 

We only warred 2 Sureño gangs, which were Swan Lake 13 & another (who I forget), which were some of the best wars I have been apart of. Both wars were well organised and gun play was very rare, believe there was only 2 incidents were guns were used, which all stemmed from prison organised attacks between NF and Liam's EME. As the faction went on, the core of the faction switched to prison roleplay, with very few on the outside as a lot of our guys ended up getting busted due to a cop being murdered in East Los at a traffic stop, which led to an investigation led by Baker, who arrested about 8 of our guys. 

 

In the end us and EME had probs one of the first CK wars on LSRP. Which EME and White Pride ulimately won, which led to the downfall of NR.

 

A lot of hard work went into that faction, especially the prison side. As our aim was to change the reputation of NF/NR, which ulimately we achieved.

 

Am I a fan of Norteño gangs? Not really. I am more a fan of the regiment side of Northern Mexican side, but you can't compare what we did on LSRP to GTAW, on LSRP we had to change a mentality on there and also encourage people to switch from street rp to prison rp, took a few months, but we ulimately got there and a small legacy of guys continued what we built on.

 

If the right people are willing to create a NF structure? I'm all for it, but if your ulimate goal is just to war Sureños, you're already breaking the NF constitution & bylaws.

[Decker]

On 8/6/2022 at 12:40 AM, black tar said:

@Decker Think you're confusing the early days of Nuestra Raza, when they were Bulldogs 14 who operated like Sureños.

That's pretty much what I'm talking about Bulldogs don't even bang 14 and don't act like Surenos. BDS are their own thing entirely.

Edited August 9, 2022 by Decker

[Faugh]

 

Just now, Decker said:

That's the epitome of what I'm referring to because Bulldogs don't even bang 14 and don't act like Surenos. BDS are their own thing entirely.

Correct, although I can't fully comment as I don't believe Mikey was actually representing the actual Fresno Bulldogs. I can't remember the specifics around that as I wasn't around for that. I won't go into the history and background as we'll both be here all day & that isn't what this is about. While Fresno Bulldogs no longer form under NF, they do hold ties with them on certain yards due to the Southern Hispanic and White outnumbering them, some NF CAT 3 members are old timer F-14 members. (Before anyone comments I am aware Fresno no longer use 14, hence why I said "old timers")

 

Anyway, I am not going to go back and forth as there's no point in it, we'll be here all day and I know your only trying to make sure people roleplay the organization correctly. LSRP "SAMP" is done and dusted. The ultimate goal here is to see if IFM may allow some form of Norteno structure on the server. Should it be a gang? Probably not, I would most likely go down the regiment route, with members in jail/prison or what have you. The reason I suggest a regiment, a regiment operates differently to that of a Norteno street gang, upon joining a regiment you are no longer allowed to gang bang.

 

Yes regiments over see Norteno gangs in their area of control, but the overall members within that regiment do not go out looking for beef, their ultimate goal is earning for the Nuestra Familia, collecting tax, distribution of drugs, forming outside relations and carrying out hits for the "O".

[Wickero]

You know, 'Nortenos' aren't really restricted if you think about it. All you literally need is a solid group of roleplayers who are willing to long-term roleplay Mexican-Americans who indulge in crime and can portray that NorCal culture inside of Paleto Bay, Grapeseed, Sandy Shores etc. Instead of trying to start off-top as NF or 'Varrio Norte' this and that. It'd be a lot better to develop a Northern San Andreas Mexican identity ICly (Go through the politics inside of TTCF and on the streets, wherever you base the group/faction in the North). Then you can go on from there and create something pretty much relativity the same exact thing as Nortenos & NF. It's not very hard to start it off, it's hard to find the motivation to keep something like that running smoothly however. 

Edited August 5, 2022 by 2Raskal

[Narco]

5 minutes ago, 2Raskal said:

You know, 'Nortenos' aren't really restricted if you think about it. All you literally need is a solid group of roleplayers who are willing to long-term roleplay Mexican-Americans who indulge in crime and can portray that NorCal culture inside of Paleto Bay, Grapeseed, Sandy Shores etc. Instead of trying to start off-top as NF or 'Varrio Norte' this and that. It'd be a lot better to develop a Northern San Andreas Mexican identity ICly (Go through the politics inside of TTCF and on the streets, wherever you base the group/faction in the North). Then you can go on from there and create something pretty much relativity the same exact thing as Nortenos & NF. It's not very hard to start it off, it's hard to find the motivation to keep something like that running smoothly however. 

The Nuestra Familia would require a regiment commander right way in the area in which they're roleplaying, therefore the NF would have to be created first. 

[Wickero]

Just now, Narco said:

The Nuestra Familia would require a regiment commander right way in the area in which they're roleplaying, therefore the NF would have to be created first. 

I'm saying it'd be better to start off as bunch of teenage/ young Mexican-American criminals who identity themselves as being from the north of the state, they wouldn't be starting off as 'NORTE GANG XIV!' They'd eventually progress into that as time passes on, soon as they hit the penal system and it becomes conflicting for them. 

[Artist]

On 8/5/2022 at 2:40 PM, 2Raskal said:

I'm saying it'd be better to start off as bunch of teenage/ young Mexican-American criminals who identity themselves as being from the north of the state, they wouldn't be starting off as 'NORTE GANG XIV!' They'd eventually progress into that as time passes on, soon as they hit the penal system and it becomes conflicting for them. 

I think that still wouldn't be allowed because eventually they would turn into Nortenos which is a restricted concept on the server so I think it would probably get shutdown.