Amendment to how business robberies are being handled.

[Moss221]

Here’s the whole shebang:

 

In a situation where you want to rob a business that is not being operated by a human being, be it alcohol, cigarettes, the safe, whatever you want it has to go to IFM, even if the doors are open and the said business is making money because of the script.

 

Now consider this situation, if you open a business, you spend hours inside of it to create RP, you make yourself vulnerable because now ANY admin can grant a criminal the permission to rob it.

 

My problem here is with the first scenario.

 

Here are the main points boyos:

 

1) Char development

Well, since you can’t go through with your plan you have to deviate from your planned character development route and seek other ones. In my case, I’m being gatekept from developing my character because it was a task given to me by a member of the mob, therefore I can’t do nada. The sense of urgency is gone and any impact from this fantastic and meaningful RP is gonzo.

 

2) Emergent RP

Any sort of quick, smash and grab schemes are put on lengthy holds, often times for hours at a time, meaning that RP that is one of the most realistic forms, is generally ignored, unless you can get ahold of an IFM admin quickly.

 

3) IC risks stemming from OOC

Since server rules state that you have to be always IC you put yourself at an arbitrary risk because you have to wait for an admin in front of the building you want to rob.

 

4) The rule

Now, this rule contradicts itself by allowing every admin to respond to a request if there’s a player. This in itself is inconsistent, it either should be that only IFM can respond to both types of requests, or every admin should be able to do so.

 

5) Jurisdictions

In the first scenario, an admin from Property Management, which is in itself ironic, can’t respond to something related to Properties. Besides that, IFM has plenty of other, important matters to deal with, also take in account that they’re one of the smallest teams around according to my knowledge, if I’m wrong please smack me.

 

Solutions:

The Best – Allow every admin to respond to these types of requests.

Better – Allow IFM, LFM and PM to respond to these requests.

The Worst – Disallow every admin beside IFM to respond to robberies even if there is a human involved.

 

Disclaimer*

I’d like to thank honey for her speedy response the other day, I’m not trying to insult IFM or anything but I believe that this case of separation of power is nonsensical at best.

[Wee Man]

We sat around doing absolutely nothing for two hours last night, waiting on an admin responding to our request...

 

On top of that, it was another hour at least earlier today to hear nothing back, seems illogical that we're put on hold until an IFM member logs in to allow us to continue our character development as well as the faction we are involved with.

[Jema]

+1

[Moss221]

Additionally, I believe that changing how it's being handled is a great step away from forums and discord. As it is right now, a lot of things have to be done through them.

 

I also understand that this rule is there for a reason, now I'm not saying to allow every admin to approve of a jewelry store or bank robbery, this is something that requires a lot of thought and planning and therefore should remain in the hands of those that are the most versed with criminal roleplay.

[i dont wanna od in LA]

I mean I'd say the current regulations are pretty fair, however the wait times for approval leave a lot to be desired. Robbing businesses can be very profitable, so I do kinda understand where the need to get an admin to spectate the whole thing is coming from.

[Moss221]

26 minutes ago, i dont wanna od in LA said:

I mean I'd say the current regulations are pretty fair, however the wait times for approval leave a lot to be desired. Robbing businesses can be very profitable, so I do kinda understand where the need to get an admin to spectate the whole thing is coming from.

Absolutely agree with you bro, I don't want to remove admin supervision, that'd be just insane, besides I like that there is an admin watching it happen. I really just have an issue with the wait times and how businesses that can operate without anyone in them like an UAV are more secure as a result of the rules. The way it is right now is just not equitable, both towards illegal rpers and legal ones.

 

I see no reason why some sort of a compromise can't be reached. Personally, I'm  a fan of a system in which, depending on the type of business and your goal behind the robbery, different groups of admins would be responsible.

 

For example:

You try to rob a closed casino in which your goal is the safe. Most likely it is loaded with security such as alarms, CCTVs, etc. In this case an admin from PM or IFM would have to approve of this scheme after thorough explanation of motives and the plan, along with screenshots of said preparation of the plan.

 

Anotha' one:

You try to rob an unlocked, unmanned liquor store with the sole goal of stealing alcohol and nothing else. - Tbh, any admin should be able to respond to this kind of scenario.

 

I know that what I'm proposing creates a problem with how to define who can and can't approve of these scenarios, but as it currently is, at the very least PM should be able to have control over something that is directly tied with what they're dealing with.

 

[euphoria.]

+1

[Moss221]

Btw, it would be interesting to get a POV of a staff member on this, chances are that I overlooked something and I'd like for that to surface in this dicussion.

[Skante]

I've been in many situations where you are unsure whether to need to use IFM or if a /report or a /breakin would suffice. I'd like there to be more leeway with admins who are not a part of IFM, to be able to participate and oversee burglaries, business robberies/burglaries also instead of letting illegal faction management take the burden as they are already over stressed with their current work load. 

 

I feel as if there needs to be a way to let free flowing roleplay and remain "in the moment" when doing such crimes as burglary and business/house robberies. With the constant pre planning, it defers the spur of the moment and the feeling for the roleplay. Although I'm not preaching that we abolish the requests by /report or /breakin in, I'm merely saying that more admins in different positions should be able to accept and deny such requests ingame.

[Viscaria]

So I'll try to clarify some light onto this topic the best that I can. I'll start with mentioning that I personally am aware of the long wait times for these types of robberies, but I certainly don't think the staff are to blame, what it falls down to, is the high amount of reports daily especially during peak times. I'll drop some information below about how robberies work;

"Large and sophisticated business robberies must be approved by IFM."
This means that once accepted on the requests board and when the admins are able to see it along with its approval, any admin can take the /report request to rob the business so long as they're not too busy, which in a lot of cases, they are. The best thing you could do here is to get your robbery request approved and also mention that its been approved in your /report.

"You may use /breakin to rob any property. /breakin is accepted by administrators only if they have the time for it as it requires 20 minutes of active monitoring, which might be difficult to do during peak hours."
Usually used when robbing a property and not a business, doesn't require IFM permissions and only an admins approval following supervision.

"Smaller and "in the moment" robberies can be conducted without an approved IFM request. Admin permission and supervision is still required for these, /report to get it. Example: Robbing an open 24/7."
This one is rather self explanatory, used for more petty robberies rather than an organized hit on a place.

I understand that having to wait a long time for a response can be frustrating for illegal rpers, at the same time, I'm glad that business robberies don't happen too often otherwise they wouldn't be as special when it comes to that type of rp. It's also worth mentioning that not every admin plays much illegal, or is a trial admin, which could lead to them not feeling comfortable to take up the request. Personally, I don't think much needs to change regarding how this system works, there could be adaptations developed perhaps and the server rules do hint that something is in the works ("If you just want to roleplay a regular property robbery without stealing real items, you may use /robprop [In development]") which could be nice for character development. Perhaps what could change, is receiving a faster response on whether or not admins are able to take on your robbery request at that time, though, I'm not sure what kind of system would fall into place for that.