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Everyone here that doesn't support this believes that criminal courts give out maximum fines LOL!
Often times courts will waive the "fine" or not give the maximum financial punishment or simply make them pay court costs. The problem is that A LOT of LEO roleplayers don't understand that they have discretion with arrests or fining people.
ALSO lower the amount for bond, it's actually ridiculous.
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Our aim is to accurately portray a modern peckerwood gang. All members are expected to follow the server's rules at all times. Family Values and its leadership reserve the right to character kill any member at any time if deemed necessary. By associating yourself in our faction or posting RP faction-related content on our thread, your CK permissions are automatically granted to us. Permission to post screenshots must be given by the leadership in our discord. Family Values is invite-only, however, you can forum PM @JOE CAMELor @Gorefor more information.
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20 hours ago, The Plug said:
Let’s just set the record straight since people in the past liked to blame me for everything:
I can’t say the exact number but Eme was getting over 60 guns a month. We had to supply 8 - 10 Sureno factions (multiple facs over 20+ members) Vs the Whites getting at least as many guns as Eme or more (3 white suppliers vs 1 Eme supplier) with only 4 facs to supply. 5 guns went to Asians for supplying us drugs after our faction drug supplier was CKed. 5 guns went to AB and associates who were supplying us with meth. 5+ guns went to AP13 who were literally in my characters crew and some of the biggest earners.
TGS and TT were blackballed ICly after CKing some of my chars crew members in a rebellion/coup. Which is why we also had to keep some guns from the drops for Eme itself in case there was a war.
Then we get raided by OSS and lose 65 guns, 3 kilos of drugs and thousands of ammunition right after a drop due to an IC snitch and informant.
Instead of me abusing my OOC position as the supplier to force the other Emeros to be subservient to my character, I allowed the other Emeros to distribute the guns to the gangs that were under them. In hindsight should I have handled distribution myself? Yes. Would it have been unfair and unrealistic from an IC standpoint? Yes. Was it my job as the fac leader and supplier to make sure the distribution is being handled? Yes. Was all of this shit my fault? No. There was many factors that led to the situation but we need to really stop the cap like I was single-handedly denying the entire Sureno scene guns.
Apparently it was wrong for Eme to supply other races SMALL amounts of firearms in exchange for drugs but perfectly ok for AB to supply Surenos since they had a surplus of guns and less factions that they were obligated to supply. And I want to be clear here I’m not blaming or talking down on The White Car. It’s a solid faction. They were doing what was best for their interests and it was all IC. I’m just saying so were we and with less inventory so I don’t understand why everything gets pinned on me. I was dealing with a serious IRL situation and couldn’t be as active sorry I have IRL obligations as a grown man.
It was a truly sad thing to see; I find it a bit weird that after every coup somehow an admin is placed into the leadership role of said faction.
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10 minutes ago, Dustyboi said:
I remember one of the iterations of Hoovers paying 100k for a single draco from some Italians. Thats the only case of it, but from personal dealings with white factions that sell 3 guns with 300 rounds for 35k and black factions that pay 25k per firearm (again, my personal experience) it's messed up lol
OOC connections my boy, don’t you know
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2 hours ago, black spiral dancer said:
im sure all Americans have prior experience gangbanging😂😂
No but there are some players on this sever who have served prison time and have gang banged or still do yet we still have a dynamic of people telling us certain things aren’t realistic when they’ve never been to America or experienced how easy crime is in a LARGE American city.
2 hours ago, Power said:Never going to happen unfortunately. Its a similar frustration I have with LFM. Playerbase is dominated by Europeans so is the Admin team. And people whether explicitly or implicitly show bias towards their own group so the more Europeans you see in leadership that is who is going to get any of the open leadership spots.
i specifically had issues with the firearms portion, all except one are American and come up with these asinine rules and have no idea how obtaining a firearm actually works.
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Get more Americans in IFM and I’m sure you’ll see it change. Can’t expect people who don’t have the real life experience to know what they’re doing when it comes to all gang life. Best of luck and hope it changes for y’all!
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Some good and thought provoking comments made from everyone. I think the prison community should be the ones with the weighted opinion here but hearing outsider opinions have opened other things I haven’t thought of. In the end I just don’t want to see shanks consolidated to just one group that’s in charge.
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10 minutes ago, Naeno said:
I understand this concern and it's completely valid. That's not what was trying to be pursued here. We're already working on trying to figure out the best way to make it so that anyone can get a shank but not literally have every conflict turn into a killing spree. Work with us here.
EDIT: I am already looking to see if shank damage by itself can be lowered. That would help out a lot.This. Shanks having to do 10-20 hits could make it more realistic and have people surviving more often and forced to PC up.
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4 minutes ago, Naeno said:
Nobody ever said it was just going to be 5 shanks for an entire month. That's absurd. It was clearly communicated that this is a test run of a new way of approaching the shank problem. There are already glaring issues with this way, just like the old system had plenty of terrible problems associated with it. There has to be a middle ground between how the prison is right now in terms of shanks and how TTCF was throughout its lifecycle. We're already looking at ways for individuals to be able to request their own shanks without having to run through their faction as an issue has already been brought up surrounding that part. This isn't some IFM ruining the server type of deal. We're working closely and in constant communication with our four prison factions plus corrections at the same time. They all equally were down to try this change and guess what, if it sucks and there are issues (which we are already aware there are some), it'll be changed in the couple days to answer those problems.
I don't think the old system was the correct solution to the shank problem, but I also do not think this new test run of this system is also the correct solution. This is why it is a test run. Things will change, almost immediately. I understand everyone wants shanks and they're not some crazy rare tool to have. However, their usage during TTCF's time was frankly absurd. All prison factions are being given equal amounts here (yes, even API), nobody is above one another when it comes this.
TLDR: We're looking into ways to be able to request a shank on your own without having the prison turn into what TTCF was with shank usage.
If you have suggestions on what you would want to be done differently, we're more than willing to listen and this thread can serve as that. I'm closely monitoring this entire thing myself and while it was my idea in collaboration with other factions, I frankly do not care if it gets thrown out because it's bad. All ears on what other way we can approach this as obviously there are issues with this test run of the system already.The main concern here is that this was asked to a handful of people. Hell if you had asked me when I was helping run the white car id have agreed too. Because it leaves the sole leaders of the faction in charge of who can get what and when. I understand the idea behind it. This is another thing that has admin intervention and oversight when it isn’t necessarily needed. This is going to be nothing but how guns are treated, whoever holds them holds the power.
The idea that someone can put their ooc hatred for someone aside is a nice thought when allowing roleplay to happen, that’s just not true and if you aren’t in good graces with a particular faction ooc they are NOT going to help you.
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How does everyone feel about the shank rule in prison? I personally believe it’s a rule that will turn SADCR into TTCF in terms of activity.
5 shanks a month for each “faction” essentially consolidates the power to an even tighter ooc group. Bad call.
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wow this is some of the hardest shit ive ever seen...
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Remove fines from guilty pleas
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Sorry I mean the overall bail prices. I understand having super high ones for murder etc. But even in my super conservative state each classification of a felony usually follows a bail schedule unless undue circumstances. The lowest felony usually starts out at $1500. Just an example; I had a pursuit where the driver put the passengers lives at danger and his bond for evading and drugs was $28,000. I haven’t been following the political nature of the server is it more conservative or true to life California liberal?