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1 hour ago, bigscoop said:

Out of all the absurd things you said. The winner has to be that a casino has 200 people entering. No Casino, despite it's size that opens up for 1 or 2 hours has these fictional "200 players" show up. If you're going to throw numbers around, make them realistic.

 

Agreed, I've never ever seen a casino with 200 people in. What would they all be doing in there when most places have just 2/3 blackjack tables and 1 poker table? Numbers on this thread doesn't add up.

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1 hour ago, IHateItHere said:

Y'all really looking way to hard at this, I didn't mean all at once. I was referring to FOOT traffic. People coming and going. God, you all really need to look at the larger picture and not what you want to see. 

 

It's still an insane number no matter what you call it, door staff won't even be able to keep up with those kind of numbers. They've to check ID, exchange roleplay wait for them to respond, take payment etc so maybe an average of 2 minutes per player, being generous for slow typers. They'd only be able to handle 24 players in an hour, double that if you've two door staff. That's assuming everything's running smoothly not including any interruptions, arguments etc holding up the flow of players. The casino wouldn't even be open long enough to handle 200 players. So that number, at least at manned doors is entirely unrealistic.

 

I will concede that there's certainly some businesses that'll overhire and that's honestly on them, they'll soon learn not to overhire. I do think it is important to listen to both sides of the argument and not just dismiss opinions due to perceived wealth and commonly shared assumptions. Personally I wouldn't object to seeing an alternative to entry fees, in real life only the most exclusive venues have entry fees (usually members or invite only) I'm just not sure what that would be without penalizing smaller establishments, particularly leased (are there even any leased casinos still?) ones which may have much smaller margins.

 

At the end of the day, if you're walking out with 5 to 6 figures in profit I really don't see the big deal with a few hundred at the door. If you don't like it, as others have suggested go to establishments with no entry fees. That's great for them and it'll encourage others to look at other means of subsidising logistics. tldr, it's an IC issue imho

 

 

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-1. They get the max in entry fees, like $50k, have to pay for security, tons of dealers/bartenders, and ofc support the blackjack somehow, which isn't always profitable especially at the wide ranges. Do they make a lot? Sure they can, but it costs a lot to open and on a night where they dont win BJ they can lose hundreds of thousands. Entry fees are soooo negligible compared to what you theoretically can win... 

 

keep entry fees and poker fees, if you don't like it... go gamble elsewhere at your own legal expense.

 

As for the "real life" argument, there are many things that Casinos don't do right now that they do IRL, for example, rake. Poker tables make $0 for the casino unless they charge another table fee. People walk out with millions more than they walked in with and casinos don't get any portion of that, which, honestly, would cover for entry fees and blackjack losses.

 

 

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Generally speaking,, blackjack is profitable for casinos, but there are nights where you can lose hundreds of thousands, or even millions, depending on what the stakes of the table are.  When I ran the Royal Rebel,  we had some nights back in the middle of 2022 where we lost $2 million or more at a table with a 50k maximum bet. 

 

This means that unless you have a major amount saved up in reserves,  you could be forced to pay for staff, security, bartenders, blackjack dealers, out of pocket.

 

In terms of the entry fee situation,  I still think that I believe it's an In-Character issue rather than something that should be added to the server rules.  I think the In-Character politicians should be looking at this issue and proposing updates to the Gaming Act (Law) in regards to entry fees at casinos specifically.  Why does it make sense?

 

#1 - Politicians would have some roleplay that would not otherwise exist in regards to voting on the Gaming Act.

 

#2 - Casino owners would still have the ability to make decisions regarding fees at their establishment.

 

#3 - Investigative and detective roleplay from certain divisions in Law Enforcement could have a part in ensuring that casinos are not violating these plausible laws.

 

 

There are other players that may have portrayed a casino owner or manager that could have good ideas, but  I think that changing the In-Character laws could be the best solution rather than having it be server-wide rule. 

 

 

 

 

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On 6/5/2023 at 6:54 PM, Edgars said:

Generally speaking,, blackjack is profitable for casinos, but there are nights where you can lose hundreds of thousands, or even millions, depending on what the stakes of the table are.  When I ran the Royal Rebel,  we had some nights back in the middle of 2022 where we lost $2 million or more at a table with a 50k maximum bet. 

 

This means that unless you have a major amount saved up in reserves,  you could be forced to pay for staff, security, bartenders, blackjack dealers, out of pocket.

 

In terms of the entry fee situation,  I still think that I believe it's an In-Character issue rather than something that should be added to the server rules.  I think the In-Character politicians should be looking at this issue and proposing updates to the Gaming Act (Law) in regards to entry fees at casinos specifically.  Why does it make sense?

 

#1 - Politicians would have some roleplay that would not otherwise exist in regards to voting on the Gaming Act.

 

#2 - Casino owners would still have the ability to make decisions regarding fees at their establishment.

 

#3 - Investigative and detective roleplay from certain divisions in Law Enforcement could have a part in ensuring that casinos are not violating these plausible laws.

 

 

There are other players that may have portrayed a casino owner or manager that could have good ideas, but  I think that changing the In-Character laws could be the best solution rather than having it be server-wide rule. 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree. I also think a gambling commission would be wonderful RP for both the casinos and the enforcement agents.

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Last time my character went to a Casino which tried to charge him 800 dollars for the entry fee. 800 Dollars in game is nothing, absolutely nothing. But my character turned back around and walked out because he thought it was ridiculous to be charged to game, regardless of the amount. It's an IC issue.

 

They're losing an IC customer, not getting OOC hate.

 

Pass it through an IC law, whatever. But don't let it be an OOC issue that should become punishable.

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