Disallow entry fees for casinos.

[dodGE]

+1. I get it, it's a "small fee" in GTAW's economy, but never in my life have I spent upwards of $1000 just to step foot in a casino.


Run our pockets at the blackjack table, not the front door.

[moulton]

Edgars Gudlevskis runs one of the best casinos, I'm curious to hear their thoughts (He doesn't charge an entry fee)

[Vivian]

I only go to Rebel for that exact reason.

[jromjeksin]

3 hours ago, Moonsong said:

 

Personally I'd like to hear from someone who actually runs a casino so it's not so one sided, rather than from players upset over a $500 entry fee and making assumptions that just because they're running a casino they must have an infinite supply of money. But that's exactly my point, if they move to membership only they'll have less people going, open less and there will be less casinos in general because people don't want to pay membership, but it'd still be more realistic, yet people would still complain. They'll complain no matter what, even if it contradicts prior complaints.

Read my earlier responses. I ran Rounder's Card Club as a part owner as recent as 2 weeks ago. I managed Vinewood Casino and I worked at Euro Den. 

 

 

  

22 hours ago, jromjeksin said:

 

Not true at all, coming from someone who has been in the casino business for like 2 years on GTAW. You can go an entire week and either not make any profit after you have to pay your staff or be at a total loss. 

 

 

I don't have screenshots but I can provide examples;

 

I managed Vinewood Casino a while ago. 3 openings per week - 2 blackjack tables and one poker table and the bar.

 

Tables - Start at 250K (min bet 1.5k, max bet 10-15K)

Bar - Drinks cost 100$-$3K

Poker - Zero profit for the house, you make absolutely nothing off tables

 

During my first week as the manager, both blackjack tables had to be re-filled TWICE because of house losses and even after, no profit was made. So let's say -500K as the initial table opening and -120K again after refilling both tables. You're already at a 620K loss on blackjack tables alone. Then you have to pay staff. Security guards are 10-15K per hour, you do the math if you have 3-4 guards which most casinos always have because someone is always trolling or doing something stupid. Then you have to pay the bartenders and your floor manager/supervisor.

 

These losses are not at all everyday but they are pretty common. People don't know this because they don't take the time out of their day to ask. Most people that run casinos will tell you. Some places rely on the 40K every 2 days from /openbusiness just to pay their staff because they lose a majority of their money opening the blackjack tables. 

 

They try to make some type of roleplay by raffling off cars and doing events but people still need to understand that when casinos do that, they are still taking a loss no matter how many raffle tickets they sell. Car costs 220K lets say, they sell about 100K in raffle tickets. They still take an L on top of whatever else they have to pay for during the opening (staff, tables). 

 

Take that into account plus the fact that this is a video game. People are crying about paying 500$ or 1K to enter a casino when the people running these establishments are losing way more than you paid to get in plus the skimpy 20K you put into blackjack. 

 

[Stormy Monday]

absolute +1

 

 

[Moonsong]

19 minutes ago, jromjeksin said:

Read my earlier responses. I ran Rounder's Card Club as a part owner as recent as 2 weeks ago. I managed Vinewood Casino and I worked at Euro Den. 

 

 

  

 

 

Thanks, seems like the script has a lot of limitations. Whilst I concede that running a casino should be an inherently risky business, something about this doesn't seem right to me. Some sort of house edge could be programmed into casino games to help make the losses more manageable , someone suggested before a dealers cut for winnings. Which I think would be a decent enough stopgap for now instead of entry fees until there's something more robust. Imho there has to be some sort of compromise here.

[AnthonyCourtney]

+1

 

A good amount of business owners on this server have proved that nothing short of clear OOC rules will stop them from doing all types of retarded, unrealistic shit in their businesses, even though common sense should tell you that casinos don't do that.

Edited June 3, 2023 by AnthonyCourtney

[jromjeksin]

7 minutes ago, Moonsong said:

 

Thanks, seems like the script has a lot of limitations. Whilst I concede that running a casino should be an inherently risky business, something about this doesn't seem right to me. Some sort of house edge could be programmed into casino games to help make the losses more manageable , someone suggested before a dealers cut for winnings. Which I think would be a decent enough stopgap for now instead of entry fees until there's something more robust. Imho there has to be some sort of compromise here.

 

It should be a risky business but people think that casino owners have this unlimited amount of cash they have access to so they can just open up blackjack tables, raffle cars off and don't charge anything and it will be okay. We still have to make money. Staff still have to get paid. There is also a dealer's cut, but that is internally set by the casino itself. Some give their dealer 10% cut while others give them slightly more. I just don't understand why paying $500 or even $1K is an issue when casinos are losing 300X that $1K and even more pretty often. 

 

People need to stop crying, stop being Karens/Kens and just pay the damn fee. People crying about realism half the time are a bunch of mall rats driving around in Comets on characters who have the worst development what so ever. Some places IRL charge fees. When you buy chips to play a a blackjack table or poker table, you get charged. 

 

Suggesting an OOC rule to be put in place for something that is completely IC is a joke. So much nit-picking on this community it's a joke. You can't shoot a cop during a traffic stop unless you know you're about to do some hard time because the new rule. But cops get shot at traffic stops all the time. But you want an OOC rule put in place to stop casinos from making some kind of insurance money to pay their staff if they go under for the day. Which realistically can and very often does happen. People want shit to remain in character ONLY when it benefits them. If paying an entry fee to get into a casino has to come out of their character's only fans money then they don't want to have to pay. So sad. Yeah let's blow 25K in the casino but refuse to pay the 500$ fee to get in. If I turn my 25K into 500K who cares, I make my money and the casino can eat a d***. Ya'll got the wrong mindset, fr.

[jromjeksin]

AND for those saying the house always wins, watch this;

 

https://streamable.com/24i1ks

 

 

This is at Royal Rebel. Entire table was cooking the dealer and she did not lose chump change. She lost 200K to me in just 4-5 hands, not including the losses to the other players.

 

 

Look at this a different day, 240K win one hand, 300K win on the other hand. Still think Casinos don't need entry fees?

Edited June 3, 2023 by jromjeksin

[mj2002]

1 hour ago, jromjeksin said:

Still think Casinos don't need entry fees?

 

I'd rather go by some unbiased data instead of anecdotes and unverified claims from players with a direct financial interest. No offense to you personally. I am in the camp of players that has the perception that casinos make good money for their owners. I'd not mind changing my mind if this proves to be incorrect.