Close Davis LTD (again)

[Vash Baldeus]

1 hour ago, Moonsong said:

 

Cops aren't allowed to keep a constant presence in the area, aren't allowed to proactively use helis in the area unless responding to a call, aren't allowed to shut down troublesome gangs IC, you don't want cops showing up in dangerous gang areas alone but when they show up in force in direct response to threats you complain it's overkill for just a few kids, and you don't want G6 to have guns. No shit crime is gonna go through the roof if cops are unable to do anything about it. Yeah, seems like an IC issue to me. Fuck sake.

Not saying you personally of course, just using 'you' as a broad general term based on what I've seen spoken and complained about on the forums by criminal roleplayers.

Half the things you mentioned here are cause of admins instilling rules and regulations for cops.

[Helm]

Everyone's saying that closing it wouldn't help, but I beg to differ. It definitely made a difference last time, because the problem players that we're talking about weren't concentrated in one area, and I distinctly remember South Central feeling just slightly less cancerous during the period Davis LTD was off-limits to hang around.

 

So unless other things change beforehand, closing down the LTD would likely help again. 

[Moonsong]

1 hour ago, Vash Baldeus said:

Half the things you mentioned here are cause of admins instilling rules and regulations for cops.

 

Which are understandable on paper, but when you heavily regulate or outright ban LEO's options for realistic escalation and responses to gang crime it hinders the natural flow of roleplay and their ability to effectively deal with crime IC. It also significantly reduces the consequences for gangs who operate recklessly. If they were to appropriately escalate things IC, there would be curfews for youths in south ls, curfews for gangs, IC banning orders from areas alltogether, full on injunctions, armed SWAT patrols to deter gun crime and if all that still failed the last logical step would be martial law and National Guard being deployed. If they wanted cops to go away? Then chill with the shooting and violent crime for a while 'till shit blows over.

 

It would not only encourage gangs to operate more carefully but it would lead to some fun, dynamic roleplay for gangs if they wanted to try to defy their curfews without getting caught. It'd be immersive and a hell of a lot more fun (I'd LOVE to see something like this) than the watered down crap there is just now with gangs basically having rule of the roost and crying ooc everytime cops so much as sneeze on their turf if they don't like the tone of the sneeze. I'm tired of people saying "IC issue" on one hand but demand things are nerfed/banned OOC whenever it's convenient.

Edited May 20, 2023 by Moonsong

[DLimit]

Want to increase quality of RP amongst gangs? Introduce "Gang Injunctions", again. It isn't imbalanced, it just teaches gangs to R.P. their activities more cautiously.

[Mahiko]

13 minutes ago, DLimit said:

Want to increase quality of RP amongst gangs? Introduce "Gang Injunctions", again. It isn't imbalanced, it just teaches gangs to R.P. their activities more cautiously.

They already exist, it's just tremendous amount of work to impose an injunction on a gang. Also because they often have to be approved from an administrative side, which often slows things down, due to them not wanting them to be 'killing RP' while it's the whole purpose of a injunction IRL, to stop a gang.

[Moonsong]

3 minutes ago, Mahiko said:

They already exist, it's just tremendous amount of work to impose an injunction on a gang. Also because they often have to be approved from an administrative side, which often slows things down, due to them not wanting them to be 'killing RP' while it's the whole purpose of a injunction IRL, to stop a gang.

 

Exactly my point, it's basically the same as not having them because there's so much OOC red tape for something that's supposedly IC. It's incredibly backwards and hypocritical. It actually worked pretty well on LSRP, something needs to be done to speed the process up and make it easier to get injunctions.

Edited May 20, 2023 by Moonsong

[kristofer]

5 hours ago, Moonsong said:

I've been saying it for years because I saw this problem coming, GTAW needs to get tough on rule breakers and those who disrupt roleplay. Stop hand holding those who don't give a shit, stop teaching players who don't want to be taught, stop giving second, third and fourth chances to players who have no business being on the server and actually start handing out MEANINGFUL punishments. Trolling is a problem BECAUSE punishments are not meaningful and they sure as hell don't take into account the time players loose and the scenes rulebreakers ruin for them, not when you're handing out warnings when they come out with piss poor excuses "I'm new to the server, I didn't know" you should fuckin' know.

Do this, the trolls go away. I guarantee it.

but that would hurt the server's profits!! we must stick to 30 minute ajails waaah

[Martyn]

30 minutes ago, kristofer said:

but that would hurt the server's profits!! we must stick to 30 minute ajails waaah

 

 

Sad but true and one of the reasons nothing in terms of quality will ever change. Banned people don't donate money. 

[Olivia]

As others have stated, close the LTD and they'll simply go somewhere else.

 

The idea that money is a variable in how we determine the severity of punishment is intellectually dishonest.

 

Multiple factors are taken into account when issuing a punishment; donator status is not one of them. We examine the full scope of the situation, evaluate it accordingly and fit the punishment to the totality of the situation.

 

People who don't learn from warnings and ajailing will eventually lead themselves down a pathway to being banned. There's an escalation path that needs to be followed. Admins have rules to follow too.

 

 

Edited May 20, 2023 by Olivia
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[LoneRider]

16 minutes ago, Olivia said:

As others have stated, close the LTD and they'll simply go somewhere else.

 

The idea that money is a variable in how we determine the severity of punishment is intellectually dishonest.

 

Multiple factors are taken into account when issuing a punishment; donator status is not one of them. We examine the full scope of the situation, evaluate it accordingly and fit the punishment to the totality of the situation.

 

People who don't learn from warnings and ajailing will eventually lead themselves down a pathway to being banned. There's an escalation path that needs to be followed. Admins have rules to follow too.

 

 

 There's nothing 'intellectually dishonest' about acknowledging that the server needs money to run, and the less players that play = less money, right?

I am pretty sure that there are more than 500-1000 banned UCPs, easily.

Edited May 20, 2023 by LoneRider