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Do you think security guards /really/ need guns?  

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I think instead of trying to dictate what security companies can and can't use, when realistically and logically they have access to lethal and non-lethal options. People should be calling out anyone who misuses, or poorly portrays a security role be it to their faction or to LFM or through a player report. Misuse is going to happen, be it criminals or cops or civilians. Weeding out the people that do such things is the key here, not forcing security into an entity that no one would have use for without their access to these tools.

 

People also need to bare in mind that security in these venues is 90% reactionary to what is going on around them, and frankly at least in my experience the majority of people who take issue IC with security have zero idea of how to act or deal with them, even in a negative fashion. I couldn't tell you how many times my character was spat on, struck or jumped for not letting a 14 year old into a night club or for simply stating the entrance fee.

 

You take the tools away, security goes away, GC's stop being a thing, clubs hire thugs to do security for them instead, you have the same issues except now it isn't regulated IC or OOC.

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On 2/18/2023 at 12:10 AM, Phallanx said:

Not a club opening that's for sure, seems overkill for me, it was far more realistic before.

 

However, it could work, maybe they just need to be used more appropriately with thoughts in mind of what the outcome will be, rather than just aimlessly firing tasers into crowd's of people.

so how do you recommend dealing with people who fail to abide by your requests to leave the property for example, who is aggressive towards you

how do you stop a club dancefloor fight

how do you detain someone who just murdered someone else inside a club

how do you stop someone who is script beating another guard/person

 

give me answers to those 4 questions and i'll personally remove guns, tasers and batons for all gruppe 6 employees

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my experience with the security is that nobody roleplays it properly. most cases i see they're trying to be the 'cop wannabe' type completely forgetting that their job is to observe and prevent. job title says security not special agent. its just insane how people see on youtube a random small county obviously lacking law enforcement personnel so they end up being assisted by a private security company and immediately create the same thing on the server. there's different types of security but I will stop specifically on what is roleplayed on the server - private parties/events don't need security looking like guerilla warfare ; club brawls, beatings bla bla don't need heroes ; a crime happening infront of your eyes doesn't need you to jump immediately to detain if you are obviously lacking the training and experience. 

 

what triggers me the most is the fact that every club nowadays has a tighter security than airports with metal detectors and guards looking like private military. my guy, its an underground club no one cares about, not the Department of Justice building. do I really have to continue saying how unrealistic is the interior compared to the outside of the building that looks like an abandoned warehouse?

 


 

19 minutes ago, zaXer. said:

so how do you recommend dealing with people who fail to abide by your requests to leave the property for example, who is aggressive towards you

how do you stop a club dancefloor fight

how do you detain someone who just murdered someone else inside a club

how do you stop someone who is script beating another guard/person

 

give me answers to those 4 questions and i'll personally remove guns, tasers and batons for all gruppe 6 employees

I'm gonna answer these based on my own experience.

 

1. Maybe they are aggressive to you because you are aggressive to them. I can tell you probably never tried to de-escalate a situation. Besides, you can call the cops on trespassing regardless of what they do.
2. I've stopped plenty of fights. I've stopped brawls. You see, I tried to prevent them. If the fight is properly roleplayed then it's gg but if it's not there's nothing you can do. But I did kick plenty of people outside and they can fight there as much as they want.

3. Murder how? All I've seen in the past couple months was security guards being trigger happy. It's against the rules to enter a random property and start shooting. If the murder happened in a roleplayed manner differently then it's up to the homicide detectives to figure it out.......

4. /report this mothefker has no place on this server, his ID is X and he needs a big ban. This case is if it's obviously a troll. If it's not then it's fine to lose, no one cares at the end of the day.

 


 

Now I will answer the OP question. And honestly, the answer is depends. If we are talking about bouncers then no. If we are talking private events then yes. Same with personal security.

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4 minutes ago, Invictus said:

my experience with the security is that nobody roleplays it properly. most cases i see they're trying to be the 'cop wannabe' type completely forgetting that their job is to observe and prevent. job title says security not special agent. its just insane how people see on youtube a random small county obviously lacking law enforcement personnel so they end up being assisted by a private security company and immediately create the same thing on the server. there's different types of security but I will stop specifically on what is roleplayed on the server - private parties/events don't need security looking like guerilla warfare ; club brawls, beatings bla bla don't need heroes ; a crime happening infront of your eyes doesn't need you to jump immediately to detain if you are obviously lacking the training and experience. 

 

what triggers me the most is the fact that every club nowadays has a tighter security than airports with metal detectors and guards looking like private military. my guy, its an underground club no one cares about, not the Department of Justice building. do I really have to continue saying how unrealistic is the interior compared to the outside of the building that looks like an abandoned warehouse?

 


 

I'm gonna answer these based on my own experience.

 

1. Maybe they are aggressive to you because you are aggressive to them. I can tell you probably never tried to de-escalate a situation. Besides, you can call the cops on trespassing regardless of what they do.
2. I've stopped plenty of fights. I've stopped brawls. You see, I tried to prevent them. If the fight is properly roleplayed then it's gg but if it's not there's nothing you can do. But I did kick plenty of people outside and they can fight there as much as they want.

3. Murder how? All I've seen in the past couple months was security guards being trigger happy. It's against the rules to enter a random property and start shooting. If the murder happened in a roleplayed manner differently then it's up to the homicide detectives to figure it out.......

4. /report this mothefker has no place on this server, his ID is X and he needs a big ban. This case is if it's obviously a troll. If it's not then it's fine to lose, no one cares at the end of the day.

 


 

Now I will answer the OP question. And honestly, the answer is depends. If we are talking about bouncers then no. If we are talking private events then yes. Same with personal security.

 youre speaking all about 'cop wannabe' behavior when in reality a huge percentage of guards irl are cop wannabe's so i dont see the problem with it being unrealistic or non roleplay

yes every club nowadays has strict security because every thug with 15k in their pocket buys a gun and a knife and starts shooting and stabbing people just because they can, enforcing metal detectors cuts this down by a huge percentage. How the interior looks compared to the outside is none of our job

the fact you saw no murder doesnt mean it doesnt happen. People murder others in clubs a lot more than you may think.

I've de-escalated more situations than hours you have played on the server. 90% of thug roleplayers here have no deescalation in their understanding and all they want to do is provoke you.

 

The security levels are a mirror of crime and thug roleplay, the more crime and thugs you have, the more people that assault others, the more security you'll have and the more equipment access they will get. Solve crime and thugs and you wont have guards with a lot of equipment. Even now, a baton, taser, gun and vest is not a lot of equipment at all, just like any other recent patrol response guard IRL. Look up some videos on youtube and then talk.

 

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I've never experienced any bad roleplay from any security guard factions in particular I can think of, the only problems I've ever encountered from such are people who are security guards but not in a faction. But still, not saying it doesn't happen - it's purely a RPQM issue for administration/faction leadership to deal with. On a server like GTA World where the vast majority of people are armed on the regular, having unarmed security guards would curb their effectiveness in protecting businesses to which their respective factions need to keep generating income. I've never EVER seen a security guard chase down a suspect during all my time on GTA:World and I can confidently say that does not happen and the majority of security role-players are pretty decent, the few I know have actually moved on to joining other factions like PD or FD.

 

 

UPDATE: I have now seen a SECURITY GUARD chase after a gang of armed criminals in which he follows them to a location that is clearly not a protected business. I am genuinely speechless. 

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35 minutes ago, zaXer. said:

I've de-escalated more situations than hours you have played on the server.

 

ok g6/securoserv. calm down son.

 

38 minutes ago, zaXer. said:

 youre speaking all about 'cop wannabe' behavior when in reality a huge percentage of guards irl are cop wannabe's so i dont see the problem with it being unrealistic or non roleplay

 

if you say so.

 

42 minutes ago, zaXer. said:

Look up some videos on youtube and then talk.

 

I bet you are subbed to LAPS. 

 

28 minutes ago, Melºn said:

I hate how threads turn into 1v1 battles, like seriously.

 

There's no battle though. I just gave my opinion but I guess someone felt attacked because I happened to quote something that I felt it made the most sense for one of the points I've had in mind. I even made the comment in 3 parts each having its own explaining and had nothing to do with one another but I guess nobody got the memo. It is what it is.

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On 1/27/2023 at 3:50 PM, Bandit. said:

I understand security companies in real life have armed guards. This isn't a debate about that, it's about security companies acting as make-shift police officers and over stepping lines.

 

I'm just gonna give my 2 cents on the subject, the fix to disarm all security guards is not going to do anything. This is a roleplay issue and if you really wanna make a change you need to report the make-shift police officers that you encounter to the security companies, and if you feel like nothing is being done then take it above them to LFM depending on the severity of what they do. I know a few security guards who are armed and their level of RP is amazing and I have nothing but respect for them, its a shame that they're frowned upon just because of a handful of guards that act out, but that's a roleplay standard issue, not them being armed.

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But with their presence and job, should a security event happen where there's an active shooter within the venue they protect or threating it - security guard are being hired to respond because they're there.

 

You can't disarm security guards because shooting happens too much in this server and they're there just to do their job, which is armed security.

 

They're not acting as LEOs, they're acting as security guards.

 

 

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The fact there's a huge percentage of people who have voted yes paints a disturbing picture about the criminal mentality in this community. Answer me this, what the fuck would be the point in disarming people you have PAID to protect your business from criminals who keep bringing guns into clubs, bars casinos or whatever and causing shootouts every other opening? They're there to deter exactly this kind of behavior, to keep patrons safe and deter trouble making. It would render the job completely pointless because then all someone who's upset would have to do is aim a gun at them and they can't do shit. They CANNOT do their jobs without guns.

 

What's next, ban cops from attending 911 calls for 5 minutes to give you a chance to escape? Because that's basically the equivalent of what you're asking. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's a completely stupid idea that will NEVER happen, because It would DESTROY the security industry on GTAW. No no no 1000x no.

 

If someone is portraying a guard unrealistically, report them. If a club is using too much security? Report them to RPQM, don't penalize an entire industry that has legitimate uses and reasons for requiring firearms.

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