feeling totally out of place as an average joe/criminal character

[RoyalPainter]

1 minute ago, Wuhtah said:

 

This is also a good idea too. We could work with IFM since they are constantly monitoring the factions/groups RP they could give an 'approval' so to speak and we could work with that faction/group on a 1 on 1 basis via forum DMs or even a thread itself to work towards getting you guys a business. But that's also up to IFM/LFM as well, but I'll definitely bring it up. 

 

My only worry is increasing the workload for PM as we are already swamped (and we constantly get new members in). We have been doing regularly changes to see what works and what doesn't work as well. But we are also adding more concepts to the plate as well for others to get more roleplay opportunities / less hoops to jump for (but also makes more work for us). I don't want you guys waiting longer than 2 weeks to get a business because that's just absurd. 

What’s the correlation between an admin record and opening a business? It’s no secret a lot of illegal roleplayers have poor admin records so I was just wondering if you need a squeaky clean record to open a business.

[Lomadias]

  

19 minutes ago, Chuckles said:

id like to see more extent for business owners that would allow them to change the bracket of their business, right now if you've got a particular business, it has to remain a particular business, more leeway in movals/shop changes would prompt a response to creating more immersive and low-end businesses

 

Concept change requests exist and do allow you to turn it into something different within the same industry. So for example a gym turning into a bar is a no (also how you gonna justify running a gym for 10 years then suddenly opening a bar?) - but a wellness place or something along those lines is fine.

 

It's gotta stay realistic to what the character is capable of and what makes sense for the property.

 

Concept changes I feel are already a great asset for someone wanting to just tweak their concept, otherwise just stick in another request. You already own the property, you can just tell us why it makes sense to turn it into something massively different.

 

9 minutes ago, Chuckles said:

a 'bar' could have been a bar, social club, anywhere that sold alcohol bar a nightclub

a nightclub could have been a strip club and vice versa

 

Concept changes kinda cover this already though, perhaps we can have a set thing that says "hey, if you own X, you can change it to Y".

 

 

Nightclubs and bars are still totally different. I wouldn't want to see someone turning a lil' bar into a nightclub.

 

2 minutes ago, Gallagher said:

@Wuhtah one suggestion i had in IFM was that characters should be allowed to use alt characters for the sole purpose of running a business. this would massively help out illegal factions who have a lot of characters within them that'll never get approved.

 

its totally unrealistic for my skinhead gang member (with no IC cash) to run a business

however - why cant i create a 50 year old civilian alt to do it? if i tried that now, im fairly sure i'd be rejected for not roleplaying enough on the alt

yeah, it would suck for me as an individual - cos my 'real' character is missing out on the rp - but it means that i could provide roleplay.

 

This would need to be MASSIVELY controlled, because otherwise it's MG central. That could be something IFM can chime in on and even then I feel it would be heavily restricted.

 

1 minute ago, Chuckles said:

i think a general background check on the player/character would suffice, a lot of characters are affiliated to faction centres and post screenshots frequently, so that'll be a good gauge for quality of roleplay too, i generally think criminals would be satisfied with leases or owned businesses because they both serve the purpose they're suppose to, serve as both hubs for roleplay and offer financial benefits 

 

in FM on LSRP, we had a good working relationship with PM where a certain number of businesses were allocated to IFM for factions/groups but i have much more faith in PM here than I do FM

 

Just being a criminal doesn't prevent you getting a business. Factions can request faction properties/businesses via IFM and PM help to facilitate it where possible. This is already a thing. Groups don't have that privilege.

 

 

[Gallagher]

1 minute ago, Lomadias said:

 

This would need to be MASSIVELY controlled, because otherwise it's MG central. That could be something IFM can chime in on and even then I feel it would be heavily restricted.

 

 

i dont see how this creates any more MG than having two characters in the same faction normally.

 

legal rpers in SD/PD often have two or even three characters in some circumstances, all in the same faction, doing similar things. hows it different?

[Chuckles]

1 minute ago, Lomadias said:

  

 

Concept change requests exist and do allow you to turn it into something different within the same industry. So for example a gym turning into a bar is a no (also how you gonna justify running a gym for 10 years then suddenly opening a bar?) - but a wellness place or something along those lines is fine.

as a criminal i could own 2 bars, a barbers, a nail salon and a car wash all because of the convenience of them being cash-dominant businesses, unfortunately what you've said here is part of the problem for criminal rpers

1 minute ago, Lomadias said:

 

 

Just being a criminal doesn't prevent you getting a business. Factions can request faction properties/businesses via IFM and PM help to facilitate it where possible. This is already a thing. Groups don't have that privilege.

 

 

 

factions dont get businesses they get properties, ie clubhouses and chop shops if they've been around long enough 

[Streetsy]

41 minutes ago, Wuhtah said:

 

Hmm.. It would give more of an incentive to report inactive properties. 

 

So, if you fill out an inactivity report to acquire said property, we can go through your character's assets and you guys can get us a quick request of why it makes sense/financials/background story? 

I would love to see this, especially if you’ve taken the time to find such a property that clearly the previous owner didn’t want anymore. I think it would expedite this process for everyone involved. 

[Wuhtah]

6 minutes ago, RoyalPainter said:

What’s the correlation between an admin record and opening a business? It’s no secret a lot of illegal roleplayers have poor admin records so I was just wondering if you need a squeaky clean record to open a business.

 

We'd like players to have at least a month of no punishments. This is an incentive to STOP breaking rules. 

 

5 minutes ago, Gallagher said:

i dont see how this creates any more MG than having two characters in the same faction normally.

 

legal rpers in SD/PD often have two or even three characters in some circumstances, all in the same faction, doing similar things. hows it different?

 

Yeah, this is why I said to get your group/faction's leaders approval, this is so they can reach out to IFM themselves as see if it's okay. 

 

4 minutes ago, Chuckles said:

as a criminal i could own 2 bars, a barbers, a nail salon and a car wash all because of the convenience of them being cash-dominant businesses, unfortunately what you've said here is part of the problem for criminal rpers

 

I do agree with Lomadias - a nail salon shouldn't be turned into a nightclub. I understand they are money making businesses, but we do need to step in at some point and go 'okay, how is this realistic?'

[Wuhtah]

1 minute ago, Streetsy said:

I would love to see this, especially if you’ve taken the time to find such a property that clearly the previous owner didn’t want anymore. I think it would expedite this process for everyone involved. 

 

I believe we used to do this back in the day, but I'm unsure. I know we do it for residential property reports (but they are few and far in between). I've raised it to the PM leads and we'll see where it goes. 🙂 

[YAOMINGFROMEASTSIDELONGOS]

Yeah, I would like it if it was easier to get a business, nothing crazy like a nightclub or casino... Just some ran down or average place in more lower income areas. 

 

Maybe a different type of request for these things that would be easier to obtain? Just anything other than the current system because not only is it way harder on the requester, but the PM team too.

[Chuckles]

1 minute ago, Wuhtah said:

 

We'd like players to have at least a month of no punishments. This is an incentive to STOP breaking rules. 

 

 

Yeah, this is why I said to get your group/faction's leaders approval, this is so they can reach out to IFM themselves as see if it's okay. 

 

 

I do agree with Lomadias - a nail salon shouldn't be turned into a nightclub. I understand they are money making businesses, but we do need to step in at some point and go 'okay, how is this realistic?'

the reference was towards the 'how does someone go from owning a bar to owning a gym' comment, not necessarily the business change itself, that i agree with

[Wuhtah]

2 minutes ago, YAOMINGFROMEASTSIDELONGOS said:

Yeah, I would like it if it was easier to get a business, nothing crazy like a nightclub or casino... Just some ran down or average place in more lower income areas. 

 

Maybe a different type of request for these things that would be easier to obtain? Just anything other than the current system because not only is it way harder on the requester, but the PM team too.

 

Leases are VERY laxed and it sort of holds your hand of what I am looking for. Most already have interiors set as well. The #1 reason of being denied for a lease request is because it went to someone else.