To snitch or not to snitch?

[Rekhoem]

Honestly, "snitch" as much as you can.

Criminals need to learn to be more subtle in their actions. There are so many open-air shootings on public squares, it's unreal.

If you don't want to have the police called on you, don't do your crime infront of witnesses. Plan your action out to happen somewhere away from the public eye.

9/10 times people get the police called on them it's because of them not being careful at all. Such people have no right to hunt down anyone for 'snitching' and especially have no right to CK anyone over it just because they don't know how not to commit a felony in the open.

[knppel]

1 hour ago, MrUntouchable215 said:

Point is, GTA W doesn't just have too many killers, there's entirely too much conflict RP and entirely too many stone-faced killers who aren't bothered by death. We need to do better fr

 

The problem here isn't your portrayal (or anyone's) though, it's within the rules design that generally give us benefit of doubt to declare all possible reasons as good to kill someone (unless we do so just because they're black).

 

There's absolutely nothing discouraging murder as conflict resolution method.

Even if you get denied ck perms when asking for, you're not actually told that murder is off the scope for your character.

No, it's solely about the ooc satisfaction of players and you'll not get that cool ck message.

But you're perfectly fine to still go and murder that person ig, just as pk.

How stupid is this?

[RedRover]

23 minutes ago, Rekhoem said:

Honestly, "snitch" as much as you can.

Criminals need to learn to be more subtle in their actions. There are so many open-air shootings on public squares, it's unreal.

If you don't want to have the police called on you, don't do your crime infront of witnesses. Plan your action out to happen somewhere away from the public eye.

9/10 times people get the police called on them it's because of them not being careful at all. Such people have no right to hunt down anyone for 'snitching' and especially have no right to CK anyone over it just because they don't know how not to commit a felony in the open.

The problem is they keep moving the goal posts. What you say makes perfect sense, but then people will come in and say “criminals are dumb and don’t care about witnesses”. When you argue that, then they say “it’s a game man, we just want to have fun”. Then when you make the argument that fun is subjective, they say you’re taking this too seriously and tell you to go touch grass. It’s a never ending argument lol. 

Edited June 28, 2022 by Brofessor

[knppel]

Just now, Brofessor said:

“criminals are dumb and don’t care about witnesses”

This is something I'd not count as valid argument if that very same "dumb" criminal can develop vast creative energy when it comes to pursue plots.

People are just selectively trying to turn nominal character flaws into benefits, but that's nothing really new.

 

 

[Wolfhound]

34 minutes ago, Rekhoem said:

Honestly, "snitch" as much as you can.

Criminals need to learn to be more subtle in their actions. There are so many open-air shootings on public squares, it's unreal.

If you don't want to have the police called on you, don't do your crime infront of witnesses. Plan your action out to happen somewhere away from the public eye.

9/10 times people get the police called on them it's because of them not being careful at all. Such people have no right to hunt down anyone for 'snitching' and especially have no right to CK anyone over it just because they don't know how not to commit a felony in the open.

 

This is funny because I'm reminded that we got low tier illegal roleplayers pulling these mental gymanstics that it's okay to be dumb as hell and do cartel tier hits in the middle of Legion Square with assault rifles and all that, but the moment there's SWAT teams rolling around Davis (I believe this happened before, correct me if I'm wrong), they cry that the police are too overpowered and are restricting their roleplay when they EXPLICITY left evidence and witnesses behind. It's like people don't know that actions have consequences, some more severe than others.

Edited June 28, 2022 by Wolfhound

[Xaleya]

20 minutes ago, Brofessor said:

The problem is they keep moving the goal posts. What you say makes perfect sense, but then people will come in and say “criminals are dumb and don’t care about witnesses”. When you argue that, then they say “it’s a game man, we just want to have fun”. Then when you make the argument that fun is subjective, they say you’re taking this too seriously and tell you to go touch grass. It’s a never ending argument lol. 

They having fun but the cost is the fun of others.

Then it's not fair play anymore, that's why we have rules so everyone can have fun.

@Wolfhound It happened before yes, a year ago PD + SD were camping by a lot the area of Davis, helicopter patrolling at the point you could see forum posts of people complaining (even reports) of the stupid fast responding time of PD, because they were a few streets away, they couldn't do a hit without having PD behind them

Edited June 28, 2022 by Xaleya

[AdamZZ]

¬s n i p

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by AdamZZ

[SLIME ALLEGIANCE]

1. Can a civilian be considered a "snitch?" If so, when? No, because there a civillian. They never signed up for the lifestyle as criminals agree to as far as "no snitching". But people that are criminals get that confused IRL and IG. So they probably would label you as a snitch. It's all a IC / IRL matter.
    
2. Does calling fire / ambulance also fall into this territory? Um.. No, unless your calling to have that person in trouble of some sort.
    
3. Do you think gangs targeting these people would bring more "heat" from the police? Obviously? 

Edited June 28, 2022 by SLIME ALLEGIANCE

[Moonsong]

Like I said earlier, civilians don't think like criminals. You don't want a witness to call the cops? Either don't commit your crimes in public areas where there are going to be witnesses or give the witnesses a reason to fear repercussions instead of just resetting them. To add, noone irl would risk life or execution in a Western civilization in which authorities are still controlled by government, for the cold blooded murder of someone who called the cops, infront of witnesses and cctv. A law abiding citizen can cop charges for not reporting very serious crimes and loose everything, it's their civic duty.

 

Do convicted felons go after jury members just because they found them guilty? Nope, because it's just as stupid as killing someone for calling cops on them unless they're doing it right in your face.

 

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by Moonsong

[Trupiano]

47 minutes ago, Moonsong said:

Like I said earlier, civilians don't think like criminals. You don't want a witness to call the cops? Either don't commit your crimes in public areas where there are going to be witnesses or give the witnesses a reason to fear repercussions instead of just resetting them. To add, noone irl would risk life or execution in a Western civilization in which authorities are still controlled by government, for the cold blooded murder of someone who called the cops, infront of witnesses and cctv. A law abiding citizen can cop charges for not reporting very serious crimes and loose everything, it's their civic duty.

 

Do convicted felons go after jury members just because they found them guilty? Nope, because it's just as stupid as killing someone for calling cops on them unless they're doing it right in your face.

 

This type of mentality is actually fucking hilarious because it shows either your just blindly lying to help your point or your so out of touch with reality that you actually think that's how the real world works. Here's a 2007 Nation Gang Center Bulletin on how gangs intimidate witnesses. In it, the author (A Assistant District Attorney from California) writes that it very much is an issue and happens constantly. Gang members do go after witnesses, they do go after jury members. There's a reason the justice system goes to such lengths to protect both groups and their identities. There is a very real threat to their safety. There is something valid to say about the amount of murders that happen on the server but, that can be counter by the fact murders/shootings are becoming a more common occurrence IRL anyways. More and more as established hierarchical gangs like gangster Disciples and traditional Bloods/Crip gangs have been targeted by law enforcement, the void that has been left is commonly filled by younger, more violent and less discipled gang members. 

 

That's all pretty pointless information though because if you just resist the urge to snitch or act like a cocky asshole 9/10 you'll be fine. It's hilarious that you think people actually stop and consider their "civic duty" and the fact that they might face legal consequences for not calling 911. Buddy, people are far more worried about getting their teeth kicked in in those situation then if the cops are gonna be upset they didn't call lmao. That's why all these CK's stand, people endlessly complain that the city is a warzone and then turn around and can not resist the urge to call the police.