What are some examples of unrealistic escalations that you've seen on the server?

[varthshenon]

26 minutes ago, Vash Baldeus said:

Two years ago, this was not the case, either the people mentality changed or admin action for poor-escalation is not enough to deter people from doing it, not to mention think about their ACTIONS! Two years ago, you could Roleplay outside without fear someone would roll up on you. Today it is not the case, you can not RP anywhere like we used to, only if it's a hot-spot then you have some chance of Roleplay.

A bit out of topic. It was fun when it lasted until you got mugged everyday. I mean... I don't really care OOCly at first. But it starts to get boring, and it would be unrealistic to keep my character still walking around the city without any fear. Some of the criminal activity was fun even though I play as a legal character. But the amount of low quality RP and the rate of it happening is really discouraging me OOCly. It's embarrassing when the victim had to dictate the criminal how to RP just so the victim can enjoy it.

 

And for the unrealistic escalations. An island boy decided to provoke my character our of nowhere inside a bar (with some PG but I wasn't really care), ended with a fist fight with the bartender outside the bar, then ajail for the island boy. Another one is a random high character decided to kick my char out of her bike after running out of a store without any RP. Told them in /b really without any RP?. He said jk, run back, then approach my character again for another provocation. Like... that's a bit embarrassing.

[Vash Baldeus]

6 minutes ago, varthshenon said:

A bit out of topic. It was fun when it lasted until you got mugged everyday. I mean... I don't really care OOCly at first. But it starts to get boring, and it would be unrealistic to keep my character still walking around the city without any fear. Some of the criminal activity was fun even though I play as a legal character. But the amount of low quality RP and the rate of it happening is really discouraging me OOCly. It's embarrassing when the victim had to dictate the criminal how to RP just so the victim can enjoy it.

 

And for the unrealistic escalations. An island boy decided to provoke my character our of nowhere inside a bar (with some PG but I wasn't really care), ended with a fist fight with the bartender outside the bar, then ajail for the island boy. Another one is a random high character decided to kick my char out of her bike after running out of a store without any RP. Told them in /b really without any RP?. He said jk, run back, then approach my character again for another provocation. Like... that's a bit embarrassing.

These people are the ones who need to be handled by admins. Admin jail is great tool, problem it does not affect anyone if it's 15 minutes or anything below an hour.

 

I recall last year, one of my employees opening up the car lot on their own. A server crash/restart takes place, they respawn and begin to respawn the stock, customers who were on premises respawn as well. I spawned in right after restart, I noticed they approach my employee and suddenly they proceed to ROB the employee and me on our car lot. Due to the way server was loading resources and the rules regarding CCTV I was asking for CCTV permission in /b (cause back then it was dumb, even if you had it MAPPED you had to ask permission from  other party to RP it). in my case, the mapping wasn't loading, until I /reported and Nervous showed up confirming it. One of the guys randomly does /mask and says in /b I am masked you can't see my face on CCTV. When right before restart all 3 were on premises without MASKS!

 

End result is they fail to steal my employees weapon (employee specified where the gun was, they never RP'd taking it!), they run and employee shoots them as they flee. We gun one down. Later I get a pm that the body we shot is IC is not there, yet script-wise it is there. My employee reports, while report is up, we spot that 2/3 of the group were banned for chain robberies. Moreover they stated that the attempted robbery they did on us was in an "alley" .. when it is a known business. Only reason they robbed us was for the gun.

 

I am not against taking the L, only when it's done in very poor rushed and not thought out manner, where you abused a server restart, PG'd having masks on when there is CCTV feed from before server restart seeing you three on premises. People rob for the sake of LOOT, only reason, 0 consideration of character development behind it! Okay you got loot, what about adding some character development in the mix!? Are we on GTA:O or a Roleplay server?! Because right now the line seems to be blurrier than ever.

 

Short Admin Jail do not work, when GTAW started in 2017 up until late 2019 I've seen people get perma-banned for chain robberies. People were keep on not breaking the rules and actually thought about their actions, these days, nah, they don't think feels like server is infested with kids who want fast wins. Roleplay is not fast paced, want that? Go Warzone, PUBG, Fartnite, Apex, those games are fast paced, GTAW is not the place for you.

[Engelbert]

Oh I forgot the king of latest unrealistic escalations.

MMA octagon ring sparring, not once I witnessed people getting salty over lost sparring match, escalating it further. Refusing to leave the cage to make space for another pair of fighters or even having their buddies jumping in to join the fight with reasoning: "This a gang man, we do things like that." Well don't ask for sparring if you want to gank up someone, just wait for them outside with an excuse: "Yo my char on drugs."

Even better! Come back to gym with a hammer or a gun. Another thing, brawls in bars and clubs are okay imo, but why assaulting someone in a gym?

 

Edited May 22, 2022 by Engelbert

[Vash Baldeus]

5 minutes ago, Engelbert said:

Oh I forgot the king of latest unrealistic escalations.

MMA octagon ring sparring, not once I witnessed people getting salty over lost sparring match, escalating it further. Refusing to leave the cage to make space for another pair of fighters or even having their buddies jumping in to join the fight with reasoning: "This a gang man, we do things like that." Well don't ask for sparring if you want to gank up someone, just wait for them outside with an excuse: "Yo my char on drugs."

Even better! Come back to gym with a hammer or a gun. Another thing, brawls in bars and clubs are okay imo, but why assaulting someone in a gym?

 

Don't get me started on Drugs. There was plenty of evidence to support the fact that people overdose on drugs to get health boost, without proper portrayal of what those amounts of drugs would do to you and how you'd be walking (if at all!).

[RedRover]

1 hour ago, Vash Baldeus said:

These people are the ones who need to be handled by admins. Admin jail is great tool, problem it does not affect anyone if it's 15 minutes or anything below an hour.

This server lost its direction when it started leaning more towards a “learning server” rather than expecting people to play up to a certain standard of a heavy RP server. This results in giving people multiple verbal warnings, then a few “formal” warnings, then eventually Ajails and temp bans. Too many chances given. Too many people who don’t give a damn about the rules. Too much bureaucracy when someone receives a harsh punishment, resulting in a staff report and the punishment being reversed by management. Punishments don’t carry any weight. Permanent ban? No problem! Appeal in 2 weeks. WHAT??? 
 

Enough with the multiple verbal warnings that don’t even get recorded onto someone’s record. Every warning should go on someone’s record. Ajails should be a MINIMUM of an hour and force-served before you can play on any of your other characters. I believe it’s like this already thank god, so people can’t simply log onto another character. But these 15-30-45 minute Ajails? Get rid of them. An hour minimum. 
 

Punishments should have weight. Admins should be given the permission and confidence that when they issue a ruling, it won’t get overturned by some little shit who lawyers their way through an appeal.  I have been told directly that this has happened on several occasions in the past and I’m sure it still happens. Time to go back to being a heavy RP server that’s not meant for beginners. Uphold higher standards. Force people to make the effort to learn and learn quickly, rather than giving people 8 chances before doing something about it. I know everyone has to start somewhere but after one or two chances if you haven’t taken the time to learn, it’s time to go practice elsewhere. That is the only way out of this mess.

Edited May 22, 2022 by Brofessor

[Vash Baldeus]

8 minutes ago, Brofessor said:

This server lost its direction when it started leaning more towards a “learning server” rather than expecting people to play up to a certain standard of a heavy RP server. This results in giving people multiple verbal warnings, then a few “formal” warnings, then eventually Ajails and temp bans. Too many chances given. Too many people who don’t give a damn about the rules. Too much bureaucracy when someone receives a harsh punishment, resulting in a staff report and the punishment being reversed by management. Punishments don’t carry any weight. Permanent ban? No problem! Appeal in 2 weeks. WHAT??? 
 

Enough with the multiple verbal warnings that don’t even get recorded onto someone’s record. Every warning should go on someone’s record. Ajails should be a MINIMUM of an hour and force-served before you can play on any of your other characters. I believe it’s like this already thank god, so people can’t simply log onto another character. But these 15-30-45 minute Ajails? Get rid of them. An hour minimum. 
 

Punishments should have weight. Admins should be given the permission and confidence that when they issue a ruling, it won’t get overturned by some little shit who lawyers their way through an appeal. That is the only way out of this mess.

Sums up what I currently think about the way Admins handle things. I am not against leniency towards a person who has relatively clean record, such a person should be given a chance especially if they admit the guilt and take responsibility, but when the record already shows previous rule breaks, no leniency.

 

As things stand right now, admin punishments have no weight it seems on the people it should (the ones who constantly breaking the rules!). Also, Permanent ban? Appeal in 2 weeks? Too short of a time, depending on severity of offense should be longer.

[thelostart22]

I totally agree with harsher punishments but ironically enough when I was pleading for it I got permabanned straigth away with a clean admin record and without a single warning for wearing an outfit unfit to heavy RP after putting more than two thousands of hours into developing characters. That kinda put some spice in my opinion, especially seeing those people getting ajailed for 15min for "MASS DM, VDM, LYING TO AN ADMIN, COMMON COURTESY, INSULTING OTHER PLAYERS, RACIAL SLURS BLABLABLA" that gets me completely and COMPLETELY crazy I swear.

[RedRover]

7 minutes ago, Vash Baldeus said:

Also, Permanent ban? Appeal in 2 weeks? Too short of a time, depending on severity of offense should be longer.

The only time the word “permanent” should be used is when the ban is actually permanent. No appeals. Anything less, it loses its meaning. If you’re going to issue a ban for appeal in 6 months? It’s a 6-month ban. The wording and use of the word “permanent” should carry long lasting meaning. If someone gets graduated to a permanent ban, there are no more chances. No more appeals. You’re gone forever. 

[Orpheus49]

People suddenly deciding to become pimps or tax working girls for no reason. Not partaking in their rp. Kidnapping the and saying "you work for me now, sit on that corner and I'll come get your money at the end of the week"

 

Like they shouldn't be doing that unless it's their trade. 

 

I literally had a minor try pimping my escort character by Kidnapping her.

 

Gangs should be muscle, not directly trying to pimp girls. It makes 0 sense 

[Vash Baldeus]

4 minutes ago, Orpheus49 said:

People suddenly deciding to become pimps or tax working girls for no reason. Not partaking in their rp. Kidnapping the and saying "you work for me now, sit on that corner and I'll come get your money at the end of the week"

 

Like they shouldn't be doing that unless it's their trade. 

 

I literally had a minor try pimping my escort character by Kidnapping her.

 

Gangs should be muscle, not directly trying to pimp girls. It makes 0 sense 

Cause they want to be EVERYTHING at ONCE. Like the characters who are: Manager, Guard, MMA fighter, top notch mechanic, 18 y/o, driving an Elegy, Photo Model, DJ, Barternder, gang-banger.

 

I do not exaggerate, seen a few like that.