Rekhoem Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) Detailed Description With the recent Tattoo-Update, the Swastika and SS-Runes have been added, apparently. However, both of those symbols are banned in some areas and may bring players, especially those streaming or uploading videos of their GTAW-Gameplay, in legal trouble. Refer to §86a StGB and this guide released by the german Bureau for the Protection of the Constitution (Source in german, but if you scroll down you'll come across a list of illegal symbols.) A different suggestion called for their complete removal, however I do not believe this to be the way as white supremacy factions are a permanent part of this server's illegal roleplay environment and need to be facilitated as much as the rest of them. As such, I propose to instead replace these symbols with ones that are not illegal. Examples for this would be: The Black Sun, Schwarze Sonne or Sonnenrad Spoiler Using different runes for different abbrevations than the SS-Runes. Examples would be something for SA, NS etc... Spoiler The Skull-and-Bones in a clearly different yet still similiar stilisation to the one used by the SS, here's an example of the one that inspired the SS-One: Spoiler Relevant Commands/Items: N/A Well, alternatively, perhaps /hidenazisymbols to make that stuff disappear clientside for those making videos and stuff? How will it benefit the server? Avoidance of legal trouble for players located in areas where these symbols are illegal. Edited April 3, 2022 by Rekhoem 3 1 Link to comment
Bauer Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Why can't we just remove these symbols from the server all together? It's not going to destroy the "skinhead" roleplay, they've been using /ex forever, they can keep using it. Same thing for people who have custom tats, they use /ex and its fine. Link to comment
Timzii Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 It is absurd nazi symbols are allowed on this server, especially when they are banned in majority of EU states. Whoever thought that adding them and seeing no issues should get checked in a mental health hospital. Whoever backs these tattoos up openly supports a regime which killed millions of innocent people. Please take this suggestion seriously. 1 Link to comment
Oggy Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 You are bringing up German law, but the exact law you are bringing up is 1) outdated in the case of video games and 2) irrelevant for players. https://www.google.com/search?q=verfassungsfeindliche+symbole+in+videospielen&client=opera-gx&hs=5Zp&sxsrf=APq-WBsvsj2i1lhYjH2Tfe1D5qQEb6sEaA%3A1649015848475&ei=KPxJYsDKHOeo9u8Pls6RwA4&oq=verfassungsfeindliche+symbole+in+v&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMYADIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB46BAgjECc6CwguEIAEELEDEIMBOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToLCC4QsQMQgwEQ1AI6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARDRAzoICC4QsQMQgwE6BAgAEEM6DggAEIAEELEDEIMBEMkDOgUIABCABDoFCAAQsQM6CAgAELEDEIMBOgcIABCxAxBDOggIABCABBCxAzoKCAAQsQMQgwEQCkoECEEYAEoECEYYAFAAWJouYOY0aABwAHgAgAHlAYgB6wiSAQYxMS4wLjGYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz Link to comment
Zach.. Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Should fall under rule 19. Many people who play on this server are disgusted by this. Link to comment
Bauer Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Just now, Oggy said: You are bringing up German law, but the exact law you are bringing up is 1) outdated in the case of video games and 2) irrelevant for players. https://www.google.com/search?q=verfassungsfeindliche+symbole+in+videospielen&client=opera-gx&hs=5Zp&sxsrf=APq-WBsvsj2i1lhYjH2Tfe1D5qQEb6sEaA%3A1649015848475&ei=KPxJYsDKHOeo9u8Pls6RwA4&oq=verfassungsfeindliche+symbole+in+v&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMYADIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB46BAgjECc6CwguEIAEELEDEIMBOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToLCC4QsQMQgwEQ1AI6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARDRAzoICC4QsQMQgwE6BAgAEEM6DggAEIAEELEDEIMBEMkDOgUIABCABDoFCAAQsQM6CAgAELEDEIMBOgcIABCxAxBDOggIABCABBCxAzoKCAAQsQMQgwEQCkoECEEYAEoECEYYAFAAWJouYOY0aABwAHgAgAHlAYgB6wiSAQYxMS4wLjGYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz Regardless of law, these symbols are disgusting and have no place on the server. Link to comment
Rekhoem Posted April 3, 2022 Author Share Posted April 3, 2022 Just now, Zach.. said: Should fall under rule 19. Many people who play on this server are disgusted by this. This is another reason to replace them with symbols of similiar meaning that might cause less issues. Link to comment
Junx Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 I swear I read somewhere that this was already against the rules along with terrorism? Link to comment
Rekhoem Posted April 3, 2022 Author Share Posted April 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Oggy said: You are bringing up German law, but the exact law you are bringing up is 1) outdated in the case of video games and 2) irrelevant for players. https://www.google.com/search?q=verfassungsfeindliche+symbole+in+videospielen&client=opera-gx&hs=5Zp&sxsrf=APq-WBsvsj2i1lhYjH2Tfe1D5qQEb6sEaA%3A1649015848475&ei=KPxJYsDKHOeo9u8Pls6RwA4&oq=verfassungsfeindliche+symbole+in+v&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMYADIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB46BAgjECc6CwguEIAEELEDEIMBOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToLCC4QsQMQgwEQ1AI6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARDRAzoICC4QsQMQgwE6BAgAEEM6DggAEIAEELEDEIMBEMkDOgUIABCABDoFCAAQsQM6CAgAELEDEIMBOgcIABCxAxBDOggIABCABBCxAzoKCAAQsQMQgwEQCkoECEEYAEoECEYYAFAAWJouYOY0aABwAHgAgAHlAYgB6wiSAQYxMS4wLjGYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz For a videogame to be allowed to contain these symbols, they need to be checked by the USK. This is not the case here. This content was not in the game checked by USK. As such, the legal issue's still here. Link to comment
Rekhoem Posted April 3, 2022 Author Share Posted April 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Rekhoem said: For a videogame to be allowed to contain these symbols, they need to be checked by the USK. This is not the case here. This content was not in the game checked by USK. As such, the legal issue's still here. https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/games/hakenkreuze-in-videospielen-usk-kann-verfassungsfeindliche-symbole-in-games-erlauben-a-1222433.html@Oggy Quote Die USK, die für die Prüfung von Spielen zuständige Einrichtung der Computerspielewirtschaft, wird jetzt ebenfalls prüfen, ob die Verwendung solcher Symbole sozialadäquat ist. Dies sei wegen einer "veränderten Rechtsauffassung der zuständigen Obersten Landesjugendbehörde" möglich. "Durch die Änderung der Rechtsauffassung können Spiele, die das Zeitgeschehen kritisch aufarbeiten, erstmals mit einem USK-Alterskennzeichen versehen werden", erklärte USK-Geschäftsführerin Elisabeth Secker. "Dies ist bei Filmen schon lange der Fall und auch im Hinblick auf die Kunstfreiheit richtigerweise jetzt auch bei Computer- und Videospielen." Link to comment
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