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dont think the players should be attacked for this. its an ic platform. it should be controlled and moderated icly. not oocly.

there's no actual guidelines of what is okay and what isn't, and a lot of people have this weird european closed off idea of what "sexual content" is.

some girl in a bikini or booty shorts is not sexual content, its just a chick dressing the way they want. yes, we can all agree some players are just doing it for erp fiend reasons butthat doesn't really change reality. it's the same thing as a guy having a photo with no shirt on, except because it's women people lose their mind with this weird sense that modesty should be an ooc rule because they don't like it - and then they mask that with the argument that 'lol realism doesnt matter to these people' even though these photos being posted on a woman's social media is far from unrealistic. i can go on my facebook right now and bring up several profiles of girls i know that post similar shit and are perfectly fine. whether it's a thirst trap or just the way they normally are.

 

ontop of that, the "sexual content" isn't even the main problem it's just a big part of it cause there's shit that doesnt even make sense to be deleted also being deleted as well. the whole reason its an issue is from those weirdos that don't understand there's a line you're not supposed to cross and the 'realistic' way to do it is to toe the line i.e showing maybe a fight where a gun gets pulled and the video cuts off, or hiding their guns with emojis. same way as some thotty character shows off a lot of skin, but makes sure to cover up their breasts and crotch so that none of their genitals are actually showing. just because x person doesn't like y doesn't make it unrealistic like they keep arguing it is. it's not unrealistic. you just don't like seeing it, and well, that's realism for you. stop adding thots and block them if you don't want to see it. as long as they aren't posting getting their back blown out on the TL or full on real nudity, it shouldn't really be an ooc issue. the argument is full of double standard weirdness because most people arent american and dont understand how shit is here but it's 2022, not 1950. women are a LOT more open and confident with their bodies these days. it should be handled with the same logic as any other aspect of the server. authenticity is what matters, not your weird sense of "ew fuck off" when you see some menyoo thot showing cleavage in a risky photo. don't use "its heavy roleplay if you dont like it go away" as an argument either, because that logically would be in defense of this. yeah, nobody likes someone who's sole purpose of existence character wise is just to chase and find erp, we can agree on that. the weird shit is  weird when people make it weird, but sex and sexualized things are a part of that 'realism' you attribute to heavy rp whether you like it or not. just like the violence, the gangs, the cars, the cops, the stores etc are as well. and just like in reality, if you dont want to see it, you can block it and not interact with it instead of ripping your hair out over it.

 

the moderation of fb should be completely ic, admins should be ic characters, there should be an ic company that controls it and does social media related shit. this weird ooc moderation stuff is extremely immersion breaking. people cant appeal their shit, they cant find out why or what was wrong with it specifically so they can work around it like one would irl and make things realistic, and again, it's not just the hoe shit. it's just the people that rp them being the loudest about it. its everything from the gang side to the legal side, random ass weird shit being deleted that's harmless. full nudity and gore/violence obviously should be deleted, thats realistic but what's been goin on in recent times is ridiculous, and people just chop it up to "haha you wanna post nudes on fb no one cares" when it's got nothing to do with nudes lmao. people are quick to scream realism but they dont even argue for realism they just argue to force their own interests and dislikes into what the server is instead of accepting all sides of it. the server in general needs to develop a more 'punish the individual not the entire community' mentality with the fixes. the only reason shit's like this is because a certain minority doesn't understand how not to cross the line.

 

 

thats just my two cents. none of this would be a problem if it was all ic and ACTUALLY focused on realism, not based on someone not wanting to see hoe characters as if it's more realistic to be in a world that's just crime and cops with the occasional civilian rather than reality which is highly sexualized. get rid of people that don't care for standards to their rp and dont rp realistic chars and keep the people that actually care to uphold quality rp and standards regardless of whether they're rping some slutty character or some gangbanger or w/e inbetween. literally none of this would be a problem. there's been so many fuckin weirdos on the server that have caused it to get to this point over the years and instead of getting rid of them its just created rules that detract from realism cause of a small group of lames that don't understand reality.

 

whole arguments basically to just make it worse and less realistic, with more weird rp black holes that make 0 sense.

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11 minutes ago, smo said:

dont think the players should be attacked for this. its an ic platform. it should be controlled and moderated icly. not oocly.

there's no actual guidelines of what is okay and what isn't, and a lot of people have this weird european closed off idea of what "sexual content" is.

some girl in a bikini or booty shorts is not sexual content, its just a chick dressing the way they want. yes, we can all agree some players are just doing it for erp fiend reasons butthat doesn't really change reality. it's the same thing as a guy having a photo with no shirt on, except because it's women people lose their mind with this weird sense that modesty should be an ooc rule because they don't like it - and then they mask that with the argument that 'lol realism doesnt matter to these people' even though these photos being posted on a woman's social media is far from unrealistic. i can go on my facebook right now and bring up several profiles of girls i know that post similar shit and are perfectly fine. whether it's a thirst trap or just the way they normally are.

 

ontop of that, the "sexual content" isn't even the main problem it's just a big part of it cause there's shit that doesnt even make sense to be deleted also being deleted as well. the whole reason its an issue is from those weirdos that don't understand there's a line you're not supposed to cross and the 'realistic' way to do it is to toe the line i.e showing maybe a fight where a gun gets pulled and the video cuts off, or hiding their guns with emojis. same way as some thotty character shows off a lot of skin, but makes sure to cover up their breasts and crotch so that none of their genitals are actually showing. just because x person doesn't like y doesn't make it unrealistic like they keep arguing it is. it's not unrealistic. you just don't like seeing it, and well, that's realism for you. stop adding thots and block them if you don't want to see it. as long as they aren't posting getting their back blown out on the TL or full on real nudity, it shouldn't really be an ooc issue. the argument is full of double standard weirdness because most people arent american and dont understand how shit is here but it's 2022, not 1950. women are a LOT more open and confident with their bodies these days. it should be handled with the same logic as any other aspect of the server. authenticity is what matters, not your weird sense of "ew fuck off" when you see some menyoo thot showing cleavage in a risky photo. don't use "its heavy roleplay if you dont like it go away" as an argument either, because that logically would be in defense of this. yeah, nobody likes someone who's sole purpose of existence character wise is just to chase and find erp, we can agree on that. the weird shit is  weird when people make it weird, but sex and sexualized things are a part of that 'realism' you attribute to heavy rp whether you like it or not. just like the violence, the gangs, the cars, the cops, the stores etc are as well. and just like in reality, if you dont want to see it, you can block it and not interact with it instead of ripping your hair out over it.

 

the moderation of fb should be completely ic, admins should be ic characters, there should be an ic company that controls it and does social media related shit. this weird ooc moderation stuff is extremely immersion breaking. people cant appeal their shit, they cant find out why or what was wrong with it specifically so they can work around it like one would irl and make things realistic, and again, it's not just the hoe shit. it's just the people that rp them being the loudest about it. its everything from the gang side to the legal side, random ass weird shit being deleted that's harmless. full nudity and gore/violence obviously should be deleted, thats realistic but what's been goin on in recent times is ridiculous, and people just chop it up to "haha you wanna post nudes on fb no one cares" when it's got nothing to do with nudes lmao. people are quick to scream realism but they dont even argue for realism they just argue to force their own interests and dislikes into what the server is instead of accepting all sides of it. the server in general needs to develop a more 'punish the individual not the entire community' mentality with the fixes. the only reason shit's like this is because a certain minority doesn't understand how not to cross the line.

 

 

thats just my two cents. none of this would be a problem if it was all ic and ACTUALLY focused on realism, not based on someone not wanting to see hoe characters as if it's more realistic to be in a world that's just crime and cops with the occasional civilian rather than reality which is highly sexualized. get rid of people that don't care for standards to their rp and dont rp realistic chars and keep the people that actually care to uphold quality rp and standards regardless of whether they're rping some slutty character or some gangbanger or w/e inbetween. literally none of this would be a problem. there's been so many fuckin weirdos on the server that have caused it to get to this point over the years and instead of getting rid of them its just created rules that detract from realism cause of a small group of lames that don't understand reality.

I couldn't say it better.

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This wouldn't be so confusing if Facebrowser was actually a purely IC platform. Right now, Facebrowser is an IC platform with no IC rules, and it's moderated by OOC admins based on purely OOC rules. It makes no sense and it's confusing for everyone.

For example: If you post an explicit nude photo on facebrowser and it gets taken down... How do you RP that IC'ly? Are you supposed to RP that facebrowser took it down? That's the most realistic way of doing it and how you would do it irl. Well, you can't. Because FB isn't moderated by an IC FB admin team, it's moderated by OOC GTAW Admins and your post was taken down for breaking OOC rules, not IC facebrower rules. 

So... How do you RP it? Are you supposed to just RP that the photo was never posted to begin with? Well good luck tracking down and informing the 300 people that saw it, that the post never happened. By the time you can inform everyone, there likely would've already been RP done surrounding the photo, especially if you're a more famous facebrowser user. See how this system doesn't work? It's either take it IC and blame the nonexistent admins for taking down your photo due to OOC rulebreak, or pretend that you never posted it to begin with and somehow try to OOC'ly track down and inform hundreds people to not take that photo as IC information, which is impossible.

So what's the solution to this mess? Facebrower needs to be a purely IC platform. "IC Posts being taken down for breaking OOC rules" shouldn't be a thing. Every post that gets taken down should be due to IC reasoning and due to breaking IC rules. Breaking Facebrower rules should get someone's account terminated, but the player behind the account shouldn't be punished OOC'ly. If someone posts something explicit, then it should be taken down IC'ly and people should RP that an actual IC moderator took it down. Facebrowser shouldn't be moderated by so much OOC intervention like how it is now. It should be purely taken IC at all times. 

 

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it’ll remain an OOC role due to no players being able to join the role because of the information exposed to admins.

 

it’ll remain an OOC role, however, since everyone’s voiced their opinions things will change.

 

I’ll post changes later this week.

 

 

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