Unpopular Opinion: The Thread

[Lexy]

LS will come back to life in some months, servers will be mostly 50/50 split, then the world will end and we're all gonna die

[TheSenate]

On 10/5/2022 at 4:26 PM, Spookie said:

 

I'm pretty sure Take Two took those mods down because they were planning to make the Definitve Edition a thing.

Yeah, Take Two has a lengthy history of making some pretty frivolous claims. If I recall they even got their lawyers involved because another studio made a game called “It Takes Two”, not to mention their attempts to claim commonly used words like “rockstar” and “civilization”, one of which is ironically the brand name for a pretty well known series of energy drinks, so it’s laughable to think they could claim ownership over that word.
 

However, with respect to modding their historical strategy has been to issue DMCAs to mods they think will threaten their future content releases. Like when they DMCA’d some mods for GTA3/VC/SA in advance of definitive edition, or when they DMCA’d the original player made GTAV multiplayer client fearing it would compete with GTA:Online on PC. Granted, they issue those DMCAs and a lot of those projects end up getting revived later anyways once Take Two has calmed down. Case in point, FiveM and RAGE both exist, despite the fact Take Two originally opposed any multiplayer clients for the game. If Take Two wanted to throw DMCA’s at GTAW, they don’t need LC as a justification to do it, this is the company that DMCA’d a save file at 66% completion on GTA:IV (that’s literally all it was, was a save file for the game 2/3rds of the way through). 
 

That being said, for the sake of GTAW as a whole I sincerely hope they never do that. Liberty City has been the most fun I’ve had on this server in years, and I think it is a massive breath of fresh air, I hope it sticks around for years to come. I don’t think that hoping for the LC servers failure, or wanting to place artificial limits on it would necessarily equate to the further success of LS. A lot of people have been roleplaying in Los Santos for upwards of 10+ years if you include SAMP/MTA players, let people enjoy something different for the setting. There is only so many character ideas you can see play out in fictional LA before it gets stale and you want to try a different setting. 

Edited October 7, 2022 by TheSenate

[KinnyWynny]

On 10/5/2022 at 12:08 PM, Engelbert said:

You may feel like it, because it's new. In a year it will become the same drag.

i hated los santos as a setting from the beginning. i just dont like the west coast and i never found a super good concept to stick my guns into. Its not just that its new, but ive been fucking around in LS for four years, and i honestly hate the setting.

 

i dont like the clubs, hollywood, lapd, california or anything to do with the setting. its just kinda… boring.

 

compare that with LC, new york, which has been a setting for a massive amount of media. the concepts are far more relatable, enjoyable, and I dont have to dance around the fact i hate a large portion of the roleplay. LC feels genuine. LS did not.

 

sure its new, sure the magic will go away. but man is the setting just miles better than LS. thats my preference, it obviously is not going to be anyone elses preference if they prefer LS. and thats fine.

 

but dont go hating on a thing you dont enjoy just because more people are having fun on it.

 

maybe we just all got sick of the literal plague of terrible lesbian characters that acted nothing like actual lesbians and infected every legal faction imaginable.

Edited October 7, 2022 by KinnyWynny

[K0range4]

57 minutes ago, KinnyWynny said:

i hated los santos as a setting from the beginning. i just dont like the west coast and i never found a super good concept to stick my guns into. Its not just that its new, but ive been fucking around in LS for four years, and i honestly hate the setting.

 

i dont like the clubs, hollywood, lapd, california or anything to do with the setting. its just kinda… boring.

 

compare that with LC, new york, which has been a setting for a massive amount of media. the concepts are far more relatable, enjoyable, and I dont have to dance around the fact i hate a large portion of the roleplay. LC feels genuine. LS did not.

 

sure its new, sure the magic will go away. but man is the setting just miles better than LS. thats my preference, it obviously is not going to be anyone elses preference if they prefer LS. and thats fine.

 

but dont go hating on a thing you dont enjoy just because more people are having fun on it.

 

maybe we just all got sick of the literal plague of terrible lesbian characters that acted nothing like actual lesbians and infected every legal faction imaginable.

 

As someone who's not playing the LC server, can I ask what's so different about a New York-like setting versus a Los Angeles-like setting? It seems like they would both offer the same type of "sprawling metropolis where anything could happen" type of RP.

[Mecovy]

Just now, K0range4 said:

 

As someone who's not playing the LC server, can I ask what's so different about a New York-like setting versus a Los Angeles-like setting? It seems like they would both offer the same type of "sprawling metropolis where anything could happen" type of RP.

LC hella cold, winter months its terrible weather, snow storms and beyond. Instead of sun 24/7, they have variety. Plus mob stuff i guess? LC would be a mafia holysite if they had those. 

 

LS still my home, long live LS supremacy 

[Jeroen]

12 minutes ago, Mecovy said:

LC hella cold, winter months its terrible weather, snow storms and beyond. Instead of sun 24/7, they have variety. Plus mob stuff i guess? LC would be a mafia holysite if they had those. 

 

LS still my home, long live LS supremacy 

I love rain and thunder in LS, but I hate rain and thunder in LC.

I guess that rain in a big dreary metropolis hits differently.

[TheSenate]

27 minutes ago, K0range4 said:

 

As someone who's not playing the LC server, can I ask what's so different about a New York-like setting versus a Los Angeles-like setting? It seems like they would both offer the same type of "sprawling metropolis where anything could happen" type of RP.

A few things, first is the culture isn’t quite the same and most players actually roleplaying being from LC/NY as compared to a flood of European immigrants (at least so far). The dialogue is a little different as people are no longer portraying Californians or Europeans, they’re playing New Yorkers and a lot of them are either more loose with their tongue, more willing to “banter” as the Brits might say. Public servants look different and the culture of NYPD/FDNY is much different when compared to LAPD/LAFD, New York looks more rough and is a lot more lenient on appearances. For example, FDNY allows personnel to wear shorts, while LAFD generally expects everyone to look very clean cut and professional. In New York, NYPD in particular, a rough looking uniform shows experience and is a mark of respect for many.
 

Also while the overall LC map is smaller than LS, that is only because of the exclusion of the countryside. The city itself feels much larger and more dense and it really feels like a big city to play in. Downtown LS only has a handful of skyscrapers that pretty much nobody uses, LC is packed with skyscrapers and large buildings and really has more of a concrete jungle feel (if that’s your thing).

 

On the whole my personal opinion is LC captures that big city feel much better than LS, but LS obviously has no competition in terms of the countryside and matters unrelated to the city itself.

[Jeroen]

1 hour ago, TheSenate said:

Downtown LS only has a handful of skyscrapers that pretty much nobody uses

Real life Los Angeles' downtown is exactly like this too. If you've ever looked at a picture of the skyline of Los Angeles you'd notice that the downtown area is really small, and from what I've heard most of the city is sprawled out.

[TheSenate]

1 hour ago, Jeroen said:

Real life Los Angeles' downtown is exactly like this too. If you've ever looked at a picture of the skyline of Los Angeles you'd notice that the downtown area is really small, and from what I've heard most of the city is sprawled out.

Sure, I’m from California, our cities are just built differently from the ones back east. Los Santos is made to reflect that. However, comparing the feel of LC to LS, LC still gives me stronger big city vibes. Part of that is the map, part of that is the fact LC has gotten more love in the public transport department and actually has a functioning subway network.

[K0range4]

7 hours ago, TheSenate said:

A few things, first is the culture isn’t quite the same and most players actually roleplaying being from LC/NY as compared to a flood of European immigrants (at least so far). The dialogue is a little different as people are no longer portraying Californians or Europeans, they’re playing New Yorkers and a lot of them are either more loose with their tongue, more willing to “banter” as the Brits might say. Public servants look different and the culture of NYPD/FDNY is much different when compared to LAPD/LAFD, New York looks more rough and is a lot more lenient on appearances. For example, FDNY allows personnel to wear shorts, while LAFD generally expects everyone to look very clean cut and professional. In New York, NYPD in particular, a rough looking uniform shows experience and is a mark of respect for many.
 

Also while the overall LC map is smaller than LS, that is only because of the exclusion of the countryside. The city itself feels much larger and more dense and it really feels like a big city to play in. Downtown LS only has a handful of skyscrapers that pretty much nobody uses, LC is packed with skyscrapers and large buildings and really has more of a concrete jungle feel (if that’s your thing).

 

On the whole my personal opinion is LC captures that big city feel much better than LS, but LS obviously has no competition in terms of the countryside and matters unrelated to the city itself.

 

Fair points, though I'd say most of that sounds a lot more like a "culture" issue from the player base. There's no reason that players in LS can't be more loose, willing to banter, etc. I'm not sure I agree as far as the "culture" of public servants. LA/Southern California is a heavy beach area and being a lifelong resident I've heard several times from folks out of state that everyone is more "relaxed" and business is a lot more casual. I see fireman out hear wearing shorts all the time, not to mention all the bicycle/street police teams wearing uniforms like that.

 

I guess that's probably my "unpopular opinion" is that a lot of the issues we talk about in LS are a player base and player cultural issue. It's not that LS is bad, it's that people are constantly rehashing the same tired ideas, copy/pasting the same gangs, and looking to emulate real gangs/groups/people/places far too closely instead of simply "basing" something on real life and letting the roleplay develop from there. I feel like anything someone is doing in LC can be done in LS with the right development, motivation, and spin.

 

LS for life myself, but I'm glad people are feeling that spark and getting enjoyment out of the LC server!