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  On 5/13/2022 at 10:38 PM, Nightmare Night said:

Hey guys, if this thread continues in discussion of factions, it's going to be locked and archived. It's just faction bashing at this point with no constructive criticism, just pointless opinions to flame at factions they don't agree with. Continue with other topics.

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4 hours ago, Engelbert said:

General rule of a thumb, if suspect is armed and dangerous, unless 2/3 more patrols pull up, it's safe to assume it's just traffic stop.

Nobody will ever understand this from the POV of an illegal. You can’t be afraid of the 10 cars that pull up over you speeding 5 miles over the limit and drive off, because that’s poor escalation! 
 

your character making eradic decisions that shouldn’t be blamed as your own OOC?!? LOL. not on GTAW.

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1 hour ago, Vassilios said:

There might even be 7 patrol cars and it could still be just a traffic stop. You cannot know it's not a traffic stop until it isn't.

 

nevermind that there's dozens of alternative solutions to the problem of being found out for whatever crime you might be running from. Driving in an overly conspicuous manner in a very obviously stolen and flamboyantly neon colored car across sidewalks is typically going to catch attention, so maybe don't do that. If the officer exits the vehicle and proceeds to approach, wait until they're fairly close to accelerate and leave the area, or do so if a second vehicle approaches to assist. 

 

Until you've made very possible attempt to escape the police, shooting to get away feels like a very, VERY stupid approach. Realistically, the shots would rarely ever connect, and the officer would have ample opportunity to assume a covered position and then return fire when possible. The only reason people shoot is because they can unrealistically John Wick anyone from any range with a pistol.

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 You don’t need to win every single instance of roleplay a law enforcement. It’s okay to lose a car or a suspect on foot. What’s not cool is calling 7 units for a traffic stop with the primary goal of trying to pull people out of their cars because you oocly you know you will get a pursuit or a shootout. If you have no legal justification for pulling someone out of a vehicle (suspicion of criminal activity) then you shouldn’t ask them to get out of the car. Far too many of you legal roleplayers portraying cops and don’t understand probable cause and reasonable suspicion. 
 

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In this case, apparently wearing a N95 covid mask creates a hazard for LEOs and is justification for being removed from a vehicle and searched.

 

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10 minutes ago, DasFroggy said:

 

nevermind that there's dozens of alternative solutions to the problem of being found out for whatever crime you might be running from. Driving in an overly conspicuous manner in a very obviously stolen and flamboyantly neon colored car across sidewalks is typically going to catch attention, so maybe don't do that. If the officer exits the vehicle and proceeds to approach, wait until they're fairly close to accelerate and leave the area, or do so if a second vehicle approaches to assist. 

 

Until you've made very possible attempt to escape the police, shooting to get away feels like a very, VERY stupid approach. Realistically, the shots would rarely ever connect, and the officer would have ample opportunity to assume a covered position and then return fire when possible. The only reason people shoot is because they can unrealistically John Wick anyone from any range with a pistol.

I don’t feel like shooting is a stupid way to approach the situation when you’re calling 5 and 6 extra units for a traffic violation that should result in a ticket and release from detention. It should not fall on the civilian or illegal roleplayer to give the LEO an opportunity to catch them or have the upper hand because of the response they would get IRL. 

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39 minutes ago, jromjeksin said:

In this case, apparently wearing a N95 covid mask creates a hazard for LEOs and is justification for being removed from a vehicle and searched.

 

 

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Officer ordering defendant out of his car following a traffic stop and conducting a pat-down to check for weapons held not to violate the Fourth Amendment, reversing Pennsylvania Supreme Court.


When you add the fact that you're in Davis I think you'll have a hard time arguing it in court.

 

Also Officers pushing the law to its limit and maybe abusing it is a GOOD thing for the server. We have far too many officers that respect the law by the book. How many have you seen that break it or outright plant evidence or lie in their testimonies?

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19 minutes ago, pateuvasiliu said:

 


When you add the fact that you're in Davis I think you'll have a hard time arguing it in court.

 

Also Officers pushing the law to its limit and maybe abusing it is a GOOD thing for the server. We have far too many officers that respect the law by the book. How many have you seen that break it or outright plant evidence or lie in their testimonies?

you’re misrepresenting the case… in penn vs mimms, mimms was only searched because when they got him out they noticed a large bulge under his jacket. no reason to reply to that and say it’d be justified under that case law.

 

either way it’s an ic issue and should be challenged in court if they’re literally just searching someone over them having an n95 mask.

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2 hours ago, Vassilios said:

There might even be 7 patrol cars and it could still be just a traffic stop. You cannot know it's not a traffic stop until it isn't.

Yeah, well a suspect who is scared or afraid, because yes...scared suspect is the one making mistakes like shooting and evading. But as Zae said, we will never understand this pattern, because we were never in such situation, hopefully. But my own experience. I evaded once. Which is why I have no driving license anymore. So yes when you are scared you can make such decision. And honestly, the more cars pull up, the more dire the situation will seem to the suspect, but ofc said suspect wants to survive, so shooting is last resort, because everyone knows what happens if they dare to pull out a gun.

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49 minutes ago, Triple Seven said:

 

You don't wear a covid mask, covid doesn't exist on GTAW. Also, best not include specific events as it might be toxic, or lead to toxicity.

Doesn't have to be for covid related illness. N95 masks were a thing way before covid. Regardless, my argument is that you don't need to win every situation. You don't need to get every gram of weed off the streets, you don't need to get every gun. The tactics I mentioned used by LEOs are only used for that sole purpose IMO. 

 

1 hour ago, pateuvasiliu said:

 


When you add the fact that you're in Davis I think you'll have a hard time arguing it in court.

 

Also Officers pushing the law to its limit and maybe abusing it is a GOOD thing for the server. We have far too many officers that respect the law by the book. How many have you seen that break it or outright plant evidence or lie in their testimonies?

You're misinterpreting the law. In the case, the officer observed a bulge in the defendant's clothing that could have possibly been a weapon (the butt of a gun, print of a gun, whatever your imagination and experience thinks it may be). You can't just order someone out of a car because you feel like it. There needs to be justification. Pulling someone over in Davis is not grounds for fearing for the safety of your own person or the general public. Run the name, see if he is a felon on probation/parole and has a history of weapons or drug violations. Roleplay taking a whiff of the interior in attempt to see if you can smell marijuana. Get a K9 if you can do so before the conclusion of the traffic stop. So many avenues you can take when roleplaying law enforcement.

 

 

ALSO,

 

We need to stop the "it's IC" bs. If a cop pulls over a known gang member and he immediately gets out of the car and kills him because he believes his car is going to be searched and he will potentially be taken to jail, he'll get reported, jailed or banned for poor escalation. If he evades in a sports vehicle and completely dusts the cop, he'll get reported for running or a common courtesy violation. Those are the risks you are supposed to take when you sign up for the job. That's why there's continuing on the job training. That's completely IC in my opinion but that's not how the majority will see it. If you think those actions can prevent or ruin roleplay, then you should also think that "over-policing" with the mentality that you gotta catch em all is wrong as-well. If this disrupts law enforcement roleplay, what I mentioned should be seen as a disruption of gang roleplay.

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