GasolineFueled Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 I was not sure if this is where I should put this if it's the wrong place PLEASE tell me where to put it. Thanks! The Paleto Bay housing market is a little out there. Paleto Bay has a lot of potential but there's three things that I feel plague the Bay that will be the base point of my argument: 1) Inactive players - Players once inhabited Paleto Bay and no longer do so make it hard for people who may want to move out that way or start a life there harder. 2) City moguls - It's one thing to buy a vacation home - it's another to buy a house then try and flip it for insane prices...to country folk...who don't make that kind of money. Beach homes be damned locals can't afford those houses at the prices in which you are selling/renting and you know it. 3) Pay Wages - I understand it's "the countryside" but if you're gonna charge city prices for housing and rent, you need to pay like the city. Otherwise, why work or live out there? I'll go into detail with each point if you're lazy feel free to read the TL:DR at the bottom. ❤️ Inactive Players I know Admins, PM, and the like do their best to comb out the properties of inactive players, I think part of the problem is that you have to log in for x amount of hours to keep it and so people will do so but they are not active. Activity should be much more than hours but I know that would be daunting to track forms of activity like money spent and things of that nature. So if it HAS to be hours it should be MORE on a weekly basis or monthly basis at least. I am aware people have lives and don't live in RP land, but it's not fair to those that ARE putting in the work, the hours and the grind and don't just want a house to have it and flip later. Again, real life happens and you shouldn't lose your house over that but if it's been 6 months for example since you've been on it's not fair to keep holding that house - come back earn it back or see if you can buy it back, but it's not fair to leave properties stagnant either, not when there's people who want to actively RP in these communities and build it up. City Moguls You know the types, fancy cars, nice big house on the hill and a country home in the country...that they never go to or use. These are the same people that will try and sell their vacation home for 1.8m on the market and think any of the Paleto Bay residents {who should be inhabiting those houses more than the city folks}, can afford that price. Now, my character that I'm main-ing does live in the city. She does want to live in the country however and rent out her current home in the city to someone at a fair price. Her reasoning for moving to Paleto Bay is that she's engaged to a resident, pregnant and wanting to raise her family in a more quiet place. Her living out there and working in the city makes more sense than the reverse. That is how it should be. Country folk either live and work in the country {because the wages make sense}, or they work in the city and live in the country {so they can save money and maybe buy a business in the country to work at as well, which also makes sense}. I feel as a City Mogul if you insist on having a vacation home you should treat it like an Air BnB. Create a Seasonal lease at a FAIR price for Paleto residents and make a passive income. If you're not paying a mortgage, you've bought a house and make no passive profit. At least this way? You make passive profit and people get to RP in a country community like they want to. However, as a city person you shouldn't try and overtake property just to have a flip for crazy prices this shouldn't be allowed - that's what I see happening makes no sense.Pay Wages I am not 1,000% sure on how pay wages are out in Paleto the only job my character had was a 2k an hour job + tips but it's not nearly as active out there because again wages vs the rent/housing market is atrocious. Pay Wages attract a community period. There should be liveliness in ALL part of San Andreas from Vespucci Canals to Sandy Shores, there's potential everywhere, as long as the pay makes sense. People will drive from Massachusetts or Connecticut IRL to work in New York and drive 1-2 hrs to and from for good money. People can work the Port, work city jobs then come home to their quiet country people do that IRL...they work city jobs and they come home to the quiet of the country. However, if you WANT more activity pay a little more make it worth while to live and be out there. My Point of View/Opinion As someone who is RPinga city bartender working her behind off, I should be able to afford a house in Paleto to start my new life...I can still work in the city and live in Paleto so that I eventually can have my own business and plant permanent roots. You can't create a successful business imo till you make yourself known in the neighborhood...that makes sense. THAT is realistic RP and story progression. Is this post a little self-serving totally 1000000% if I am to be transparent, however, someone tried to tell me: "Everyone out here lives in apartments, you can't get a house till you retire." ...in the "country" ? That makes absolutely zero sense. If you ask me...country living is houses, homes, and a sense of community in small tows. Very few people live in apartments in the country. If the majority of your population lives in apartments you're more like a city like Los Santos. You can't claim country living and then turn around and say people mostly live in apartments. That's fine for the first "6 months to 2 years" of living out there, but eventually? You should be able to afford a nice house or a fair mortgage that leads to you owning the house {basically rent to own}. I think if you OWN a business in Paleto, and work hard and have activity you could afford a house out there OR if you manage a business in the city you could LIVE in the country and work in the city. There's no reason why these houses should only be "if you retire". If you are properly active, and grinding money the right way or you know the illegal way no judgement, then you should be able to have a house. Makes no sense to me that the country side has houses going for millions. Beach houses be damned...it shouldn't be going past 1m even. Sorry. Maybe I'm wrong but I wanted to open the discussion and get peoples opinions and maybe suggestions! TL:DR Paleto Bay has a lot of potential but no one would be DRAWN out there to RP normally with the current inactivity, pay wages, and overall housing/business opening. Yes people can report and fight these inactivities but pricing still seems outrageous and unfair to what is supposed to be "the country". Paleto is a good balance between the country and city RP. It's a small town basically and has a lot of potential for community AND crime alike honestly. However, there's not enough openings to allow people to set roots and make a community and enjoy this kind of RP. Though this post definitely has a self-serving element, I've talked to people who ACTIVELY RP in Paleto and they don't disagree from what I can gather. Please feel free to discuss my concern/suggestion. I am still fairly new to how the economy and housing market works in this server but if we're talking about accurate portrayals and building communities I believe it's a universal concept, one that could be easily applied here and fixed just takes a little work. I'm sure Sandy Shores and even Los Santos suffer from the same problem. 6 2 Link to comment
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Knooflook Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 For what it's worth I am someone who is fairly active in Paleto and has set up a faction in that very same area with the intention to create some RP and a bit of an alternative hub to Los Santos and I can absolutely attest that the housing market is absolutely atrocious because by and large the people who actually actively RP Paleto residents nearly never have property or the means to even get one due to the cash needed. We're talking in general 1.5 mil plus for any residence. Now my faction has been somewhat lucky with the property we got from PM in that it was very affordable and with other help we've made it possible, at least to some extent, to encourage local RP and working there to the point that we will not hire city characters in our places if it can be avoided. There is absolutely a need for more extensive looks into who owns property in Paleto, because most often you don't see any of it used or alternatively you see a house with 4-8 cars in front and usually of a fancier variety. I don't know what the solution is really, but perhaps PM should take it all the way to only renting out Paleto property exclusively to players that prove or promise to have their RP focused in the area. 2 Link to comment
KussArsch Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 +1. I don't roleplay in Paleto personally, but I used to be apart of a faction that was located in Sandy Shores. It was genuinely one of the best roleplay experiences I've ever had and the amount of people who roleplayed in the area always making it an active area to be in made it ten times better. Paleto deserves the same love and this would only make it more achievable for the people that genuinely plan to rp there. Link to comment
Kyra Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Let's not forget about the fact if someone's owning a property in Blaine County. Be it in Sandy or Paleto or somewhere between. They namechange a character, move to a different part of the map or just decide to give up that property. So you go to sell it in-game or on the forums for a (hopefully) fair price so people could afford it and roleplay around the area and property. But then you have people who PM you or comment under your post. BUYOUT and you know who these people mostly are? Self called "mappers" that buy places cheap, change a few things, wait a few months so they can charge more and sell it for around the prices mentioned above. And I'm thinking most properties in that area do suffer from this issue. I've never seen a single person around a Paleto house before. Except those who spawn their 5-10 vehicles and vanish inside again. I think at this point it would only help if Property Management and RPQM would step in and solve this issue because it's far from realistic ICly at this point. Because your only options are either RP being homeless or staying at a motel, you can't even find a apartment in Paleto and yet not a single soul is to be seen on the streets. Link to comment
Rhelli Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Paleto properties should be lease-only from PM. If you don't work in Paleto or the country, it should be a straight-up request rejection. The housing shortage in Paleto is massive, and there's not enough businesses to show that those houses are owned by locals. Throwback to a 'real estate agent' selling a house (which I highly doubt they used) for 1.7m. Link to comment
Irrtadum Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) In terms of Properties? That subject is overdone, we all know how bad it is and it sucks. In terms of roleplay opportunities, a point regarding the general area that we've always wanted as the locals in general was things like the Sawmill being opened, places like that. That'd give more realistic jobs to rely on for middle-class individuals that do not want to rely on illegal to just gain currency. But quite frankly, after roleplaying only in the county for about nine months now, at times it feels dead because the city has more things to rely on to make roleplay happen. There should be a chance for someone to take up the sawmill, or a properly developed group to come back into the fort such as the Tongvan Natives did. Generally, so much is unused, that could be amazing opportunities to create something fun and enjoyable for everyone. Overall, seems like county is a bit forgotten at times, and it truly disappoints because the county provided the best roleplay I've ever had in this server. (Still does!) Edit: Absolute +1 for the topic at hand. Things need to finally change #makecountygreatagain ^^ Edited December 26, 2021 by Irrtadum 1 Link to comment
GasolineFueled Posted December 26, 2021 Author Share Posted December 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Rhelli said: Paleto properties should be lease-only from PM. If you don't work in Paleto or the country, it should be a straight-up request rejection. The housing shortage in Paleto is massive, and there's not enough businesses to show that those houses are owned by locals. Throwback to a 'real estate agent' selling a house (which I highly doubt they used) for 1.7m. I under stand the snap judgement here but I disagree with this to an extent. I get that leasing would be fair - if it was more of a rent to own. I think some people who are active there now deserve to OWN a home. Period. After x amount of months of inactivity they lose it. Period. You can put in an inactivity request for 30 days after that too bad. I feel that people have inactivity holds and then go away for 3 months and it's "oh well" makes no sense. I say let people who really do live out there own something. Working in the city while living in the country is okay if you are able to actively RP out there too it's sadly more than just a problem of city people living in the country it's that there's no work to keep people IN the country so they can RP there too. My character WANTS a business out there but she doesn't live out there I don't think it would make sense for her to have a business before a home. So home first then business that makes sense, she works in the city to build up cash then buys a business and lives out there fully it's a transition makes sense. I see your POV tho 100% I just don't agree to it fully. Link to comment
L I C E Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Paleto has an identity crisis. Once that's solved maybe the problem can be solved. At least with Sandy it's established junkie + biker land. Link to comment
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