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Baiting robberies from ads needs a clarification at this point


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@Viscaria concluded a report with this.

 

An Official Faction, Martorano, is performing daily robberies approaching poker players who post advertisements(see here: [George Apalo, Mask_20A20_46, Mask_E527E_2, Mask_91DBA_50] [1,3,10] - Player Reports - GTA World Forums - GTA V Heavy Roleplay Server)

 

I'm sure they performed more than one robbery with the same modus operandi. I'm posting this report because it's clearly confirmed that they approach people through the ads system:

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The group did not post any advertisement to lure potential victims to a spot, this is absolutely clear. Jonathan and Casper took a risk in seeking poker players for an illegal backroom game via a public advertisement system. This is a recipe for disaster.

 

Before the faction flames me I want to state that If they keep on performing these actions I'm sure it's not their fault, but it's because the rule is unclear and the admins are not punishing every individual in the same way. Because, I'm sure admins are well aware of these robberies to happen, but they've never been stopped. But, as you can see from the screenshot above, there are people who get punished for the same approach to the robbery.

So, before I do it but get punished or get reported and punished for something OTHER people are allowed to do:

 

SUGGESTION: PLEASE, clarify the rule itself and use only one way of judgment.

Because the rule says:

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You've baited the victim using an advertisement or the taxi script

 

And people believe that they CANNOT use ads they post to do it, but they can use other people ads to perform robberies.

Quoting the punished player in the report by Viscaria:

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Your first point being the 'Bait advertisement'. Reading the rule word for word reads '- You've baited the victim using an advertisement or the taxi script', You created the Advert, not me? Therefor how could I bait you? My character saw the opportunity and took it.

 

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I feel like the rule is rather clear but could also be explained in further detail with a slight wording change. "You've baited the victim using an advertisement" - this states that baiting a victim using an advertisement is against the rules, the wording could show a little more clarification such as "You've baited the victim using any form of advertisement".

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Just now, Viscaria said:

I feel like the rule is rather clear but could also be explained in further detail with a slight wording change. "You've baited the victim using an advertisement" - this states that baiting a victim using an advertisement is against the rules, the wording could show a little more clarification such as "You've baited the victim using any form of advertisement".

 

According to what happens in the server daily, no, it's not. But, I get your interpretation of it, which is the correct one. But I believe we need to help everyone to be able to get it correctly to prevent problems.

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If you're advertising for an illegal game of poker you deserve to get robbed. Use the established casinos where it's perfectly legal and safe to play?


 

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It is forbidden to rob anyone when :

- You've baited the victim using an advertisement or the taxi script

 

 

I don't get how you can't understand this rule when it's very clear. If you go out of your way to post an advertisement you're taking a risk. Stop blaming the rules because certain people in your faction can't put two and two together when creating an illegal poker game. 

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6 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

If you're advertising for an illegal game of poker you deserve to get robbed. Use the established casinos where it's perfectly legal and safe to play?


 

 

I don't get how you can't understand this rule when it's very clear. If you go out of your way to post an advertisement you're taking a risk. Stop blaming the rules because certain people in your faction can't put two and two together when creating an illegal poker game. 


The rule doesn’t make any exception to what kind of ad you are approaching. You cannot perform a robbery approaching someone posting an ad about anything.

Basically, you are contradicting over and over in your own post.

Also, you are confirming that the rule is not clear. Because, in here, you still believe you can rob someone approaching through his advertisement…. Which is clearly been said it cannot be done.

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2 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

You're saying people can host illegal poker games and be protected from any IC consequences just because they've posted an advertisement?


Man, illegal ads are against the rules.

And, performing robberies through ads is against the rules.

So, yes, if the poker games are considered illegal whoever place the ads should be kicked or whatever according to the rules, it needs to be handled in a OOC level.

But I’m not informed if poker outside of casinos is legal or not.

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You're not allowed to rob people through your advertisement, but if someone is willing to take a risk to actually post an advertisement about a poker game with zero security, they're also accepting the risk of getting robbed. Don't hide behind advertisements to shield your criminal career.

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1 minute ago, nostalgic said:

You're not allowed to rob people through your advertisement, but if someone is willing to take a risk to actually post an advertisement about a poker game with zero security, they're also accepting the risk of getting robbed. Don't hide behind advertisements to shield your criminal career.


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I believe you haven’t read this.

This guy has been punished and he didn’t use his OWN advertisement to perform a criminal action.

 

 

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Anticipating your next reply:


There’s absolutely NO POINT to state that the ad was legal or illegal. The rule doesn’t make ANY exception.

 

At this point I BEG an admin to clarify this situation. It’s pretty obvious it’s pretty unclear.

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