12) Crime-free areas, Port Terminal and Loading docks.

[Narco]

No thank you, this area can easily be driven in by anyone with a truck at the moment and there's several entrance points without fences, gates or guards as joshua has stated on the first page. This would restrict roleplay a lot from many different aspects. 

[Moonsong]

Make the loading docks crime free and I'm fine with that but no to the rest of the docks as there's always going to be quiet areas around ports, you can't watch every square foot all at once. But who the hell would ever think it's a great idea to pull of a robbery somewhere like this?

 

 

Apparently it happens and I've seen it been allowed which is honestly extremely disturbing. An average criminal wouldn't have the knowledge to pull it off, you'd need someone inside and weeks if not months of planning. Even then you'd likely be after something very specific and highly valuable. You'd probably already have a buyer lined up. But a random street thug camping a nearby loading area hoping to get lucky robbing a random trucker without knowing what they're taking? NAH.. They might even be robbing a bunch of worthless scrap being hauled off to be melted down, old panties going for recycling or a truck full of pink dildos. It's piss poor roleplay and needs to stop.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2021 by Moonsong

[99]

7 hours ago, Moonsong said:

Make the loading docks crime free and I'm fine with that but no to the rest of the docks as there's always going to be quiet areas around ports, you can't watch every square foot all at once. But who the hell would ever think it's a great idea to pull of a robbery somewhere like this?

 

 

Apparently it happens and I've seen it been allowed which is honestly extremely disturbing. An average criminal wouldn't have the knowledge to pull it off, you'd need someone inside and weeks if not months of planning. Even then you'd likely be after something very specific and highly valuable. You'd probably already have a buyer lined up. But a random street thug camping a nearby loading area hoping to get lucky robbing a random trucker without knowing what they're taking? NAH.. They might even be robbing a bunch of worthless scrap being hauled off to be melted down, old panties going for recycling or a truck full of pink dildos. It's piss poor roleplay and needs to stop.

Product of a policy that allows it to happen. Docks aren't a safe zone and they aren't IC'ly busy unless people are actually present in-game because that's what IFM established. Therefore the docks are subject to crime at any time, any place without recourse. What can you do when policy protects the issue? They've made it clear they won't change their stance. We tried to tell them way back when they started it that this would happen over time.

 

Tried to suggest that we should have our own Port Police in the past. That gets shot down too and we get instructed to report it to the regular police, to which we do and then nothing happens. They say its an IC issue that police won't patrol down there and then we're right back to square one. The world makes sense again 🤣

Edited October 27, 2021 by 99

[eTaylor]

The Port of Los Santos is based on the real life Port of Los Angeles and Port of Long Beach. So if we’re suppose to be realistic; The Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach are the two largest ports in the United States, and together constitute the world’s fifth largest port complex. They handle 40% of the containers entering the United States. One million passengers arrive annually, and half a million imported automobiles. Over half of California’s oil needs pass through the ports. Annual trade is over $250 billion, and the ports support over two million jobs.

In post 9/11 America the ports counterterrorism strategy focuses on deterrence, prevention, response, and recovery/trade resumption. The port relies on the Area Maritime Security Committee that brings the relevant federal, state, local governmental and private sector stakeholders together to focus on counterterrorism. The port receives around $90 million in grants for counterterrorism and security. The port has a sophisticated water- side surveillance camera system, with fiber optics. There is a Joint Command and Control Center with the Port of Long Beach’s Information Awareness Center. A security awareness training program. The TWIC (Transportation Workers Identification Card) biometric system, mandatory for unescorted access to the port’s 27 terminals.

 

Additional initiatives include expanded port police personnel and operations. For example, port waters are patrolled on a 24/7 basis by two vessels. There is also a vehicle and cargo inspection team. There are dedicated tactical frequencies so as to expand communications capabilities. There are complex Customs and Border Protection systems and permanent Mass Transit Security in place operated by the second largest transit police force in the nation. 

 

And yet it’s considered perfectly acceptable for a random street thug to rob a trucker on the pier? Okay. 

 

Edited October 27, 2021 by eTaylor

[Moonsong]

1 hour ago, eTaylor said:

The Port of Los Santos is based on the real life Port of Los Angeles and Port of Long Beach. So if we’re suppose to be realistic; The Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach are the two largest ports in the United States, and together constitute the world’s fifth largest port complex. They handle 40% of the containers entering the United States. One million passengers arrive annually, and half a million imported automobiles. Over half of California’s oil needs pass through the ports. Annual trade is over $250 billion, and the ports support over two million jobs.

In post 9/11 America the ports counterterrorism strategy focuses on deterrence, prevention, response, and recovery/trade resumption. The port relies on the Area Maritime Security Committee that brings the relevant federal, state, local governmental and private sector stakeholders together to focus on counterterrorism. The port receives around $90 million in grants for counterterrorism and security. The port has a sophisticated water- side surveillance camera system, with fiber optics. There is a Joint Command and Control Center with the Port of Long Beach’s Information Awareness Center. A security awareness training program. The TWIC (Transportation Workers Identification Card) biometric system, mandatory for unescorted access to the port’s 27 terminals.

 

Additional initiatives include expanded port police personnel and operations. For example, port waters are patrolled on a 24/7 basis by two vessels. There is also a vehicle and cargo inspection team. There are dedicated tactical frequencies so as to expand communications capabilities. There are complex Customs and Border Protection systems and permanent Mass Transit Security in place operated by the second largest transit police force in the nation. 

 

And yet it’s considered perfectly acceptable for a random street thug to rob a trucker on the pier? Okay. 

 

 

So much this, although something to this extent would be completely unworkable due to limited player count around the port, script limitations and an even fewer number of players who would want to engage in this sort of roleplay. This is why it needs to be covered via ooc rules to make it fair for people actually roleplaying around any of the loading bays around the port without being robbed by someone who realistically shouldn't and couldn't be there. Any of the loading bays in the port needs to at the very least, be robbery free zones if not crime free. Each would realistically, be pretty secure as you said.

[99]

7 hours ago, eTaylor said:

The Port of Los Santos is based on the real life Port of Los Angeles and Port of Long Beach. So if we’re suppose to be realistic; The Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach are the two largest ports in the United States, and together constitute the world’s fifth largest port complex. They handle 40% of the containers entering the United States. One million passengers arrive annually, and half a million imported automobiles. Over half of California’s oil needs pass through the ports. Annual trade is over $250 billion, and the ports support over two million jobs.

In post 9/11 America the ports counterterrorism strategy focuses on deterrence, prevention, response, and recovery/trade resumption. The port relies on the Area Maritime Security Committee that brings the relevant federal, state, local governmental and private sector stakeholders together to focus on counterterrorism. The port receives around $90 million in grants for counterterrorism and security. The port has a sophisticated water- side surveillance camera system, with fiber optics. There is a Joint Command and Control Center with the Port of Long Beach’s Information Awareness Center. A security awareness training program. The TWIC (Transportation Workers Identification Card) biometric system, mandatory for unescorted access to the port’s 27 terminals.

 

Additional initiatives include expanded port police personnel and operations. For example, port waters are patrolled on a 24/7 basis by two vessels. There is also a vehicle and cargo inspection team. There are dedicated tactical frequencies so as to expand communications capabilities. There are complex Customs and Border Protection systems and permanent Mass Transit Security in place operated by the second largest transit police force in the nation. 

 

And yet it’s considered perfectly acceptable for a random street thug to rob a trucker on the pier? Okay. 

 

Yep it’s perfectly acceptable because IFM has officially deemed that doing it any other way would be “detrimental” to the criminal role play on the server. It would mean they’d have to walk back their stance on how population is perceived, which at this point in time is basically whoever is online. If there are 100 people online, that’s who exists in the city and is to be RP’d as such. So if there is no one actually present down at the docks? It’s fair game. It’s to be RP’d that the docks are empty. Government buildings get the safe zone treatment, so I’m not sure why the Docks don’t get some sort of protection considering everything you said. 

[Eestino]

As someone who works at the port I can tell you that we had people threatening workers, shooting the port up, shooting deputies (3 died just the other day in an ambush), we have multiple trespassers but we can't do much about it other than keep an eye on them and call the coppers, there's IMEX, KT, BWL, Alcoclub and SAPA all situated on Elysian and Delta is nextdoor in Cypress at former Thompson's HQ so the area can be very heavily trafficked, criminals don't care how many people are there even when they are actually there, there's people robbing IMEX or pulling out heists quite frequently even when there's ten people around, hell, someone tried to kill a G6 member in IMEX when there were 4 patrol cars outside IMEX like what the fuck.

Edited October 27, 2021 by Eestino

[Wickero]

On 10/16/2021 at 4:56 AM, LizziePup said:

Low-suspicion crime should absolutely still be allowed, but things like robberies and violent crime should be off the table, for the reasons said above. Crimes that a beat cop could see from their car would also be seen by countless employees and security.
+1

 

[Raf Simons Raven]

Crime free zone... Ports... It’s a no from me...

If you have an issue with how someone’s role playing their robbery and how it’s unrealistic then report it. It’s a simple solution. A lot of these companies in Elysian are fenced off, one way in/out, have CCTV Cameras, Gruppe6 and PD/SD constantly driving through. These businesses are basically are basically fortresses.

 

There is no need to crime free these areas. (in my opinion)

Next people will want Los Santos to be a crime free zone as a whole. 

[Topinambour]

It seems the "if there are no players then there is nobody" rule is the core of the problem here. :x

It makes, indeed, zero sense to have gunpoint robberies and stuff like that in a port that is supposed to be among the busiest in the world... And the fact that there might be a Gruppe6 patrol once in a blue moon ('cause I have literally never ever seen a single one since I got back lol)... Well, it doesn't compensate for the fact that if you decided to rob a trucker at gunpoint there, which is something dumb enough already, it WOULD be reported almost instantly to port security and the police. Except it doesn't happen, because if you take your phone out while being robbed you're dead. So it somehow becomes profitable, against all odds 😕 

 

Most people know I'm not much in favor of "full realism", but this here makes so little sense, it breaks any semblance of verisimilitude. :x 

That said, the same goes for armed robberies on Vinewood Boulevard at 9 PM, but while it's a connected topic, it's also a different one.