Why do admins get to have their reports hidden if they break a rule?

[joshua]

i'm just curious, if an admin breaks a rule while they're roleplaying (e.g someone reports them for deathmatching), why is it that we need to file a staff report rather than a regular player report? surely these reports should be dealt with publicly just like any other report, rather than hiding it away just because one player is an admin? surely staff reports should ONLY be filed when an admin has done something wrong while ON duty, or if they've abused their powers in some way? i'm curious on why this system is in place

 

source:

https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/58231-jaylen-thomas-key-jamar-reginald-wilson-will-lonzo-raydell-watts-tony-brown-kentrell-ward-farell-love-124/page/3/?tab=comments#comment-607603

^report closed because one of the reported players is an admin, even though that means nothing in the grand scheme. he's roleplaying, he should be treated like a regular player in this regard.

 

https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/58128-logan-sander-isabel-espraza/?tab=comments#comment-605510

^report closed because one of the reported players is an admin, again, this means nothing in the grand scheme of the report... he's still accused of breaking a rule while IC just like a regular player.

 

https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/52875-andrew-merlo-4/page/3/?tab=comments#comment-558175

^report closed because, again, a player involved is an admin.

 

there's plenty of other examples. does this not make sense to anyone else or is it just me?

[ThatDutchPerson]

Tbh in my opinion it should be like this:

 

If the admin breaks a rule in regards to roleplaying and general server rules that does not involve his staff duties, it should be a regular player report.

If the admin makes an error in judgement, or breaks a rule while being involved in his staff duties, it should be a staff report.

 

Admins aren't perfect, they are humans and can make mistakes. There is no need to hide their imperfections as no one is perfect.

Edited October 10, 2021 by ThatDutchPerson

[Thekillergreece]

RC-RP used to have public staff reports and it was great to see how the management were clearing them off from any wrongdoings and/or punishing them accordingly (admin strikes, warnings, etc). This also helped with server's transparency.

 

I am not sure why such thing cannot happen in GTA:W and I wouldn't mind seeing it. However, I think this falls under the same reason behind hiding refund reports, ban appeals, etc.

[joshua]

1 minute ago, thekillergreece said:

RC-RP used to have public staff reports and it was great to see how the management were clearing them off from any wrongdoings and/or punishing them accordingly (admin strikes, warnings, etc). This also helped with server's transparency.

 

I am not sure why such thing cannot happen in GTA:W and I wouldn't mind seeing it. However, I think this falls under the same reason behind hiding refund reports, ban appeals, etc.

 

it's not even that, i get why staff reports for abuse might be hidden and i don't disagree with that. but REGULAR reports for REGULAR situations that end up getting closed just because one of the rule breakers is an admin doesn't make sense to me

[Capoh]

12 minutes ago, ThatDutchPerson said:

Tbh in my opinion it should be like this:

 

If the admin breaks a rule in regards to roleplaying and general server rules that does not involve his staff duties, it should be a regular player report.

If the admin makes an error in judgement, or breaks a rule while being involved in his staff duties, it should be a staff report.

 

Admins aren't perfect, they are humans and can make mistakes. There is no need to hide their imperfections as no one is perfect.

I agree

[99]

Totally agree. Accountability is everything. If they are off duty as a player, it should be handled like any other report. If they break rules while on duty, then obviously the report should be handled differently.

[BINGBONGBALONEY]

The last time I reported a member of the staff team I was poisoned by naughty Russian spies

[DLimit]

4 hours ago, 99 said:

Totally agree. Accountability is everything. If they are off duty as a player, it should be handled like any other report. If they break rules while on duty, then obviously the report should be handled differently.

+1

[Nervous]

4 hours ago, joshua said:

 

it's not even that, i get why staff reports for abuse might be hidden and i don't disagree with that. but REGULAR reports for REGULAR situations that end up getting closed just because one of the rule breakers is an admin doesn't make sense to me

It should already be the case.

Staff reports for supposed to be for staff decisions, regular reports for regular player issues. Admins can also do mistakes as players. Unless I'm also mistaken as to how it's currently handled.

[Fancy Toothpaste]

16 minutes ago, Nervous said:

It should already be the case.

Staff reports for supposed to be for staff decisions, regular reports for regular player issues. Admins can also do mistakes as players. Unless I'm also mistaken as to how it's currently handled.

As someone who reviews the reports section daily and reads alot of reports, staff immediate close reports on admins even if the reports only pertain to the staff-member's player conduct, opposed to their staff conduct. If that's not the intended prceedure of how these situations are to be handled, then it might be a miscommunication, but I've seen a number of reports that pertain only to a staff member's player conduct be closed.

Within the Staff Report Information Section you posted it states: 

Spoiler

Staff reports are handled by the Staff Management team. This consists of the Head of Admins, the Head of Support and their assistants. 

 

A staff report can be made when a staff member:

• breaks a rule, whether it is an in-game, forum or Discord rule;

 
This implies that staff members are to be staff reported opposed to player reported if they break any in-game, forum, or discord rules that any other player may be subject to. I'm assuming this may be the reason why many player reports made on staff members are immediately closed, regardless of the contents of the report.

Edited October 10, 2021 by Fancy Toothpaste
Fixing typos.