police response numbers

[DasFroggy]

5 hours ago, Pixie said:

There really should be a hard cap on the number of units that can respond to a single incident, depending on the severity of the situation. Something about seeing 15 cruisers come barreling down the road smashing into everything, nearly killing players, and destroying everybody's ears is really off-putting.

 

There really should be a limit on people shooting cops during a traffic stop.

 

2 hours ago, Shagglehod said:

I've seen at least one illegal faction with this as a mandate.

 

My car theft ring has a standing policy - anyone that is found killing without extremely good justification, doesn't do business with us. It's helped with staying way off the LSPD radar.

 

48 minutes ago, ZaE said:

its crazy i never hear abt this, then again it looks like they just got done robbing somebody so like...i cant rlly blame them in a way

 

It's crazy you've never heard about that. Then again, it looks like a mind numbingly massive amount of criminals are killing cops after being stopped to talk about a broken blinker, so folks can't really blame cops at all for deciding to respond to a reliable trend of unnecessary violence.

 

2 hours ago, PeopleKind said:

Maybe... Maybe... Just maybe... If people stopped killing cops for simple traffic stops... they would stop sending entire teams out for them. If you know you're wanted, why are you going around driving like an idiot with illegal guns & drugs on you?

 

2 hours ago, orca112 said:

"Oh, our characters were carrying a murder weapon, had warrants on them whilst driving a stolen car without a license and were also high on drugs which clouded their judgement, but never their driving abilities when it came to a high speed pursuit"

 

To which it should be asked every time - if a police inspection was such a risk that you'd need to kill a cop to hide what you've done, why pull over in the first place? Literally every single time, the option to evade requires considerably less violence. 

[Midwest]

shootouts happen at vehicular stops quite a lot. There was a recorded example in early september last month in Brevard County from their Sheriffs Office. There's also Darian Jarrott, who was killed after being ordered to pull over what turned out to be a narcotics trafficker being followed by HSI (without being told this was the case), and was ambushed & killed by the guy he stopped.

Edited October 2, 2021 by Midwest

[Adm]

9 minutes ago, Midwest said:

shootouts happen at vehicular stops quite a lot. There was a recorded example in early september last month in Brevard County from their Sheriffs Office. There's also Darian Jarrott, who was killed after being ordered to pull over what turned out to be a narcotics trafficker being followed by HSI (without being told this was the case), and was ambushed & killed by the guy he stopped.

 

Anecdotal.

How many traffic stops happen in total, vs. how many result in a shootout?

It's great to mention examples, but it offers nothing in the way of an actual argument.

[Koko]

You would think that criminals would learn to hide their guns in their car after seeing the same procedure happen to them of being Terry Frisked routinely, yet they stop with one in their pants and then freak out and shoot.

 

Also most criminals are very paranoid about being wanted for past crimes when in reality they actually got away with it and the cop has no idea that they've stopped a killer with a double homicide on them.

[Pixie]

49 minutes ago, DasFroggy said:

There really should be a limit on people shooting cops during a traffic stop.

a limit on people shooting cops during a traffic stop?

[DasFroggy]

8 minutes ago, Koko said:

yet they stop with one in their pants and then freak out and shoot.

 

They stop willingly. Despite having numerous other potential avenues through which to resolve the problem, they willingly set up the circumstances in which a shooting can be justified.

[Midwest]

44 minutes ago, Adm said:

 

Anecdotal.

How many traffic stops happen in total, vs. how many result in a shootout?

It's great to mention examples, but it offers nothing in the way of an actual argument.

We should understand words before we use them

Anecdotal "(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research."

Those are two accounts which are objectively true, and come from a myriad of sources with varying rates of "reliability" depending on your opinion. It's also not based on personal accounts, and is actually rooted in facts and research. 

How many happen total vs how many result in a shootout has NO STANDING ON THE FACT IT HAPPENS. It is already objectively factual that it happens, regardless of the *rate of instance*, which is entirely separate from the *existence* of the action. 

FBI — Officers Feloniously Killed - this just includes those deceased

Edited October 2, 2021 by Midwest

[Koko]

17 minutes ago, Midwest said:

We should understand words before we use them

Anecdotal "(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research."

Those are two accounts which are objectively true, and come from a myriad of sources with varying rates of "reliability" depending on your opinion. It's also not based on personal accounts, and is actually rooted in facts and research. 

How many happen total vs how many result in a shootout has NO STANDING ON THE FACT IT HAPPENS. It is already objectively factual that it happens, regardless of the *rate of instance*, which is entirely separate from the *existence* of the action. 

FBI — Officers Feloniously Killed - this just includes those deceased

 

So in a year according to that data 6 cops were shot dead during a traffic stop in America. Statistics estimate that police performs anywhere from 20 to 32 million traffic stops a year. If we take the more conservative figure for the sake of argument, an American police officer's chances to be shot during a traffic stop are 1 in 3.3 million. People quote real world occurrences to justify extreme actions, but you can't in good faith argue that an event with these odds is typical. We just have to accept that GTAW's universe is built different than the real world. And that's not necessarily bad, it's just fiction.

 

I think we can all agree that the odds of police officer dying in a traffic stop in GTAW are significantly higher as cops are injured or killed daily during traffic stops, and I can only assume police take it IC and react according to criminal behaviour and trends.

[Midwest]

7 minutes ago, Koko said:

 

So in a year according to that data 6 cops were shot dead during a traffic stop in America. Statistics estimate that police performs anywhere from 20 to 32 million traffic stops a year. If we take the more conservative figure for the sake of argument, an American police officer's chances to be shot during a traffic stop are 1 in 3.3 million. People quote real world occurrences to justify extreme actions, but you can't in good faith argue that an event with these odds is typical. We just have to accept that GTAW's universe is built different than the real world. And that's not necessarily bad, it's just fiction.

 

I think we can all agree that the odds of police officer dying in a traffic stop in GTAW are significantly higher as cops are injured or killed daily during traffic stops, and I can only assume police take it IC and react according to criminal behaviour and trends.

Basically this. I'm not arguing for or against either side, just dumb seeing people here like "oh my god no cops dont get shot at traffic stops". In the end, both sides are correct, the root of the issue here is how realistic people want to rp which is going to variate on everyones opinion

Less realism = more shootings (unrealistic amount of shootings are fine of course, but by god the cops respond with an extra car cuz 20 other cops got killed today than the rest of the country in an entire year then its a bad and unrealistic. odds for me not for the) 

The issue with lots of these posts, is they get filled with people who complain about it, but you can easily browse through their posts and see they are an exact mirror example of the reason why responses happen the way they do IG, and it becomes pretty evident the largest influencing factor behind them projecting their opinion is them just not wanting to face consequences for their actions
 

Edited October 2, 2021 by Midwest

[averycoolguy]

1 hour ago, Midwest said:

shootouts happen at vehicular stops quite a lot. There was a recorded example in early september last month in Brevard County from their Sheriffs Office. There's also Darian Jarrott, who was killed after being ordered to pull over what turned out to be a narcotics trafficker being followed by HSI (without being told this was the case), and was ambushed & killed by the guy he stopped.

2 LAPD officers died in 2019.

In Los Santos that's 2 a week. Don't even try to compare this to real life.