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6 minutes ago, Biscuit said:

The question is; why?


The answer in my opinion is bad roleplaying experience. Cause as soon as there's a pager call for something like a hazmat call, or a building fire or anything similar, the numbers spike.

 

Just read my prior replies.

I do not argue that the server has the mentality of shoot first ask questions later. Yes my character was involved in shooting, but only when there was clear immediate threat to life, my character always tries to de-escalate situations. Not to mention the bad apples who just go out and seek trouble for the sake of OOC not for their character progression.

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I've got a question relating to the Fire Department and responses as well. Not sure if it's been mentioned already but I'm not trawling through 10 pages to look for it either so my bad if it has been mentioned.

 

This also involves the admin team so I'll quote those involved to get their side of things on it.

It was not long after peak time on the Saturday just gone, it had just passed midnight and there were still 650 players on the server. My character and two of his associates had just been involved in a shooting which led to a CK which also included one Deputy being injured. With the Deputy in mind, there was a possibility of the vehicle's plates being on video and a possibility of the Deputy surviving from his injuries so we decided to ditch the vehicle and set it on fire. Vehicle's owner was present and was absolutely fine with doing this. I submitted a fire request, received no response after ten, fifteen minutes. I had to go out of my way to PM an admin which happened to be @Adv and was informed that we were not allowed to set the vehicle on fire without an admin's permission and that my request to set a fire would be denied due to the lack of FD on duty. At the time, Adv mentioned that there was only two on duty. @Nightmare Night also denied the request later on for the exact same reason, not enough FD on duty. This seriously hindered our roleplay and meant the entire plan needed to be changed and we had to re-evaluate and re-roleplay things, despite being on the run from the Sheriff's Department.

I understand that there was only two FD on duty at the time however if the fire was spotted by a passer by, surely more personnel could be paged for rather than just outright ruining someone's roleplay. It was mentioned earlier in this thread that if a pager goes out, especially for fires, it typically gets a decent response.

 

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Above is the only reference I can find to something similar in the server rules however it clearly states that it only applies to real estate. So if this is the case and also with pagers in mind, why were we made to completely go back on what we had spent time roleplaying and work out a new plan?

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On 8/23/2021 at 7:43 PM, Farrell said:

I've got a question relating to the Fire Department and responses as well. Not sure if it's been mentioned already but I'm not trawling through 10 pages to look for it either so my bad if it has been mentioned.

 

This also involves the admin team so I'll quote those involved to get their side of things on it.

It was not long after peak time on the Saturday just gone, it had just passed midnight and there were still 650 players on the server. My character and two of his associates had just been involved in a shooting which led to a CK which also included one Deputy being injured. With the Deputy in mind, there was a possibility of the vehicle's plates being on video and a possibility of the Deputy surviving from his injuries so we decided to ditch the vehicle and set it on fire. Vehicle's owner was present and was absolutely fine with doing this. I submitted a fire request, received no response after ten, fifteen minutes. I had to go out of my way to PM an admin which happened to be @Adv and was informed that we were not allowed to set the vehicle on fire without an admin's permission and that my request to set a fire would be denied due to the lack of FD on duty. At the time, Adv mentioned that there was only two on duty. @Nightmare Night also denied the request later on for the exact same reason, not enough FD on duty. This seriously hindered our roleplay and meant the entire plan needed to be changed and we had to re-evaluate and re-roleplay things, despite being on the run from the Sheriff's Department.

I understand that there was only two FD on duty at the time however if the fire was spotted by a passer by, surely more personnel could be paged for rather than just outright ruining someone's roleplay. It was mentioned earlier in this thread that if a pager goes out, especially for fires, it typically gets a decent response.

 

vKghPoN.png

 

Above is the only reference I can find to something similar in the server rules however it clearly states that it only applies to real estate. So if this is the case and also with pagers in mind, why were we made to completely go back on what we had spent time roleplaying and work out a new plan?

I'd have to assume that this is the case because you can't just assume enough people will respond to a pager to service the call, plus it's hard to determine how busy it still was at the time for FD. I can imagine that if there's only two people on duty and they're running from medical to medical there's hardly any room for a scene like this as fires quite often require a substantial response and take at the very least 30 minutes to an hour to conclude effectively starving the rest of the server for a response.

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38 minutes ago, Bas said:

I'd have to assume that this is the case because you can't just assume enough people will respond to a pager to service the call, plus it's hard to determine how busy it still was at the time for FD. I can imagine that if there's only two people on duty and they're running from medical to medical there's hardly any room for a scene like this as fires quite often require a substantial response and take at the very least 30 minutes to an hour to conclude effectively starving the rest of the server for a response.


I still don’t understand why someone else’s roleplay should be hindered because they’re lacking people on duty though, especially with what was a near-peak time with 650 people on the server at the time. I get that manpower can be an issue in the faction, it was an issue on LSRP and it’s apparent that it’s sometimes one on here as well but in cases, it’s just not fair on those who try and roleplay a fire. If it were a property fire, I’d completely understand and as quoted in the rules, you’d need admin permission but in this case it was a vehicle fire, off of the road, vehicle itself was out of sight from public view. There’s no rule which directly mentions/backs up that you require X FD on duty and a admin permission to set a small, non property related fire. And my comment regarding pagers was going off of something that Monster I believe said on the previous page(s) in relation to a Discord pager response regarding a fire/specialised scene.

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5 minutes ago, Farrell said:


I still don’t understand why someone else’s roleplay should be hindered because they’re lacking people on duty though, especially with what was a near-peak time with 650 people on the server at the time. I get that manpower can be an issue in the faction, it was an issue on LSRP and it’s apparent that it’s sometimes one on here as well but in cases, it’s just not fair on those who try and roleplay a fire. If it were a property fire, I’d completely understand and as quoted in the rules, you’d need admin permission but in this case it was a vehicle fire, off of the road, vehicle itself was out of sight from public view. There’s no rule which directly mentions/backs up that you require X FD on duty and a admin permission to set a small, non property related fire. And my comment regarding pagers was going off of something that Monster I believe said on the previous page(s) in relation to a Discord pager response regarding a fire/specialised scene.

I'm just making an assumption here, but since fires that have to be requested are often involved in some kind of crime scenario, I guess it would be a safe way to completely dispose of evidence by just making sure no sufficient amount of FD is available to perhaps still preserve a part of it. I guess that's the thought process behind it if I had to guess.

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On 8/25/2021 at 1:24 PM, Farrell said:


I still don’t understand why someone else’s roleplay should be hindered because they’re lacking people on duty though, especially with what was a near-peak time with 650 people on the server at the time. I get that manpower can be an issue in the faction, it was an issue on LSRP and it’s apparent that it’s sometimes one on here as well but in cases, it’s just not fair on those who try and roleplay a fire. If it were a property fire, I’d completely understand and as quoted in the rules, you’d need admin permission but in this case it was a vehicle fire, off of the road, vehicle itself was out of sight from public view. There’s no rule which directly mentions/backs up that you require X FD on duty and a admin permission to set a small, non property related fire. And my comment regarding pagers was going off of something that Monster I believe said on the previous page(s) in relation to a Discord pager response regarding a fire/specialised scene.

 

 

I think the issue the administrator may have had is that the situation couldn't realistically play out due to the lack of Fire Department personell on duty, as stated in the response above this, it could lead to scenarios where criminal fires are made with intent to utilize low duty to maximize their chances of a beneficial outcome. That being said, Fire pagers for actual Fires tend to bring a good few members on duty. I wonder if the admin also considered not just how many were on duty, but how many were online. Cause as with most factions, you have to respond to pagers if you're able. If there are 2 on duty but 10+ online, you've a good chance that if a Fire is called in, you'd immediately get people over to the station and making callsigns.

 

With my experience in the faction, Fires will always get more staff for engines online pretty quickly. So it's quite important to weigh in not just the people on duty but the people who are also online and able to respond to a pager going out. But in the end its a tricky scenario, although past shows most will respond to a pager at such hours, you've also got no certainty they will in every situation.

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On 8/23/2021 at 12:29 PM, Vash Baldeus said:

I do not argue that the server has the mentality of shoot first ask questions later. Yes my character was involved in shooting, but only when there was clear immediate threat to life, my character always tries to de-escalate situations. Not to mention the bad apples who just go out and seek trouble for the sake of OOC not for their character progression.


this has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand.

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Perhaps the role play would be more enjoyable if there was less violence in the server.

 

 Gun shot wounds, heavy back log of outstanding calls, random bodies every ten minutes - there’s just too much violence for first responder factions to handle. 

 

I like medical role play but I think most legal factions are just desensitized at this point so the effort and enjoyment is hit and miss.

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