ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms) Like Agency

[Yoak]

2 hours ago, Invictus said:

I'd love to see more local/federal agencies since only 2 major leo factions are not enough for 900 players, 20 scenes and 50 calls.

ATF wouldnt assist in that issue whatsoever

 

it’s a nice idea but the sever doesn’t need it. There’s be barely enough rp for them 

[Marksman]

Why do you want to add a federal agency to just one state? That’s silly. It’s like adding the FBI or CIA. 

[arrdef]

Implementing small units / task forces from an otherwise bigger agency to tackle specialized issues would greatly enhance both legal and illegal roleplay; but this is widely seen as "stealing roleplay" from PD/SD and so anything like that is unlikely to ever be approved no matter how well-thought out it is.

 

SAPR does provide a precedent for this though. The lore SAPR is statewide with only a small detail in Los Santos County.

Edited June 9, 2021 by arrdef

[DomThomson]

There's a reason why this server and most RP servers stray sway from larger state agencies like the California's Bureau of Investigation or their federal versions such as Federal Bureau of Investigation, United States Marshals and the agency being noted here, Alcohol, Tabacco, Firearms aka ATF. It's a complicated answer but I'll put it in one simple term, lack of jurisdiction. 

 

As for why, it's very simple. State agencies such as in our case LSPD and LSSD are there to enforce state law, meaning the State Penal Code and other acts and codes such as SHAFT code etc while on the other hand federal agencies are there to enforce federal law meaning the federal rule of law, constitution and other relevant acts or codes to what the specific agency does. We, at least from a script perspective, don't roleplay federal law because it would make the already overloaded and complicated system all the more complicated, one of the other things is that a lot of the stuff that is enforced by the ATF is on the federal level which even if implemented, crime of which it could be counted to be federal doesn't happen in game that much.

 

My final touch is the fact that if we wanted this properly, we'd need proper wheels and infrastructure for it. What I mean is a federal district court, federal court of appeals and federal supreme court; federal attorney general's office as well as solicitator general and other offices needed for the proper running of a realistic justice system. Just get a taskforce between the two agencies, that's the easy solution.

Edited June 9, 2021 by DomThomson

[PeopleKind]

Seeing as most brew sites are in the county realistically, if this were to be made, I'd love to see SAPR be involved somehow.

[Rasta]

44 minutes ago, arrdef said:

Implementing small units / task forces from an otherwise bigger agency to tackle specialized issues would greatly enhance both legal and illegal roleplay; but this is widely seen as "stealing roleplay" from PD/SD and so anything like that is unlikely to ever be approved no matter how well-thought out it is.

 

SAPR does provide a precedent for this though. The lore SAPR is statewide with only a small detail in Los Santos County.

How would it enhance roleplay? It's not stealing roleplay, its unnecessarly dividing it between factions. Again any LEO currently can enforce said laws, its up to the intelligence community to organize Intel and tasks force to press down if this type of crime is rampant.

[CertifiedKiller]

yes big +

[Kasper McQueen]

The little consensus here is that this should not be an entirely separate faction but a separate department of an already existing one for law enforcement. This focused task force would also remain on the local level, so the department would have another name like "Alcohol and Firearms Agents," as an example, to be a branch off of the ATF. The AFA would be a smaller group to start, possibly a team of 5, all recruited from the pool of the already active LEO's who are interested in this RP. 

Edited June 9, 2021 by Kasper McQueen
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[Dom.]

If I buy a dog and the ATF shoots it, will I have to pay for it again?

 

Also, will I be ajailed or banned for shooting them on sight like the pests they are?

Edited June 9, 2021 by Dom.

[Thread]

6 hours ago, Kasper McQueen said:

Do the LEO factions actively follow crimes, create leads, interrogate and execute sting operations directly about alcohol, tobacco, and firearms with the full intent to lower these illegal activities?

Yes. Do you not know what detectives are?