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3 minutes ago, Christopher said:

When the other choice is houses never being bought or sold? Yes, without a doubt.

Then you haven't experienced the result of this actually happening on an RP server. It's highly demotivating and basically locks houses behind those who have spent the time to grind out or earn that kind of money already. You're essentially screwing new players out of the chance to own a house unless they want to spend hundreds upon hundreds of hours just to afford a bare bones house. This isn't the solution. Far from it.

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Just now, Numelo said:

Then you haven't experienced the result of this actually happening on an RP server. It's highly demotivating and basically locks houses behind those who have spent the time to grind out or earn that kind of money already. You're essentially screwing new players out of the chance to own a house unless they want to spend hours upon hours upon hours grinding out to afford a bare bones house. This isn't the solution. Far from it.

How are new players not locked out of buying a house if they never move from the first people to purchase them? The only time that happens is if someone goes inactive, and then it's a race to the house to see who can purchase it first.

 

You're arguing for something that has the exact same issue you're complaining about.

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1 minute ago, Christopher said:

How are new players not locked out of buying a house if they never move from the first people to purchase them? The only time that happens is if someone goes inactive, and then it's a race to the house to see who can purchase it first.

 

You're arguing for something that has the exact same issue you're complaining about.

You don't get it. We're not going to see eye to eye on this. If you've never seen what actually happens with an uncapped housing market, you won't understand. It's been tried and failed, miserably. They always ended up trying to put price controls after the fact because it got so out of hand and that never works either. So we're at an impasse. Immovable object, meet unstoppable force. Uncapped doesn't work. Price control doesn't work. What's next?

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1 minute ago, Numelo said:

You don't get it. We're not going to see eye to eye on this. If you've never seen what actually happens with an uncapped housing market, you won't understand. It's been tried and failed, miserably. They always ended up trying to put price controls after the fact because it got so out of hand and that never works either. So we're at an impasse. Immovable object, meet unstoppable force. Uncapped doesn't work. Price control doesn't work. What's next?

I do get it, you seem to be missing the entire point. There is no housing economy with a capped market with money being as inflated as it is.

 

It is objectively worse for there to be no housing market, than it is to have an inflated housing market where houses are potentially for sale.


I don't know how to say it any clearer.

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4 minutes ago, Christopher said:

I do get it, you seem to be missing the entire point. There is no housing economy with a capped market with money being as inflated as it is.

 

It is objectively worse for there to be no housing market, than it is to have an inflated housing market where houses are potentially for sale.


I don't know how to say it any clearer.

I'm not missing anything. You're not seeing the bigger picture. Again, agree to disagree on this. Moving on.

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7 hours ago, Power said:

So the answer is price controls where essential everyone unless you know the right person is isolated from the housing market.

 

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Yes, the answer is price control where everyone is isolated, but has equal opportunity, because it is much easier to implement alternative solutions that counter the effects of price control. Remove the cap and eventually in the future you hit a point where nobody can afford houses, and nobody wants to sell because it means taking a loss, which is a much more difficult problem to solve. I'd much rather deal with the former then the latter.

 

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What if... we made houses (the fancy ones, not apartments) rentable instead of buyable? They would be rented from the state at lets say 20k, 25k per week? Then people would only rent them if they are active enough to have a stable income and really willing to RP there. And as soon as they get inactive they would stop renting it as to not lose money over a house that wont use, making it available again.

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Taxes seems like a good solution, with a dramatic bank-busting increase per property owned unless the property is an apartment and you're a registered landlord. Houses on the other hand should specifically require activity to purchase and own, something a high property tax on secondary households can definitely make possible.

 

We'd see people dropping excess property ownership like pinless hand grenades once those second houses start eating massively into their bank accounts.

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