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On 5/22/2021 at 8:16 AM, mattmocz said:

I don't think there's a need to intervene OOCly. If people are abusing the system charge them with Misuse of an Emergency Hotline.

 

113. Misuse of an Emergency Hotline (M)

Any person who uses a government hotline, intended for either emergency or non-emergency assistance, with a purpose other than contacting the government with a legitimate concern or ushering for immediate assistance, including prank calls, jokes, or any other kind of distraction.

I agree with Mattmocz that this should be pursued ICly via these venues.

 

HOWEVER

 

Please take this post and think about it. As someone in FD, we do get a lot of repeat calls and it is just an annoyance. It messes with our systems, and when we're stressed (as we often are, we are undermanned and needed in a lot of places, especially during peak hours) we might just not realize that spam call 3x was the same person or incident, so suddenly we send three units to that scene. Now, that takes a minute or so to clear up once we're there, which could have been used on other calls.

 

And a small rant:

If your only addition to this thread is "Is IC, stop complaining", you're missing the point of this forum. It's for general discussions, and OP wanted to discuss how the current way players use 911 and abuse it. It can absolutely be handled ICly, as Mattmocz pointed out, but it is still an annoying thing, and as was mentioned, it doesn't really help their case.

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I'm not too sure on how the 911 works from the departmental side of it although there was a description from the OP of course.

 

A middle ground would be nice if there was something that allows players from the FD/LEO side to have their screen cleared up whilst maybe still marking that someone has called 2/3 times without having new calls appearing which you could then take IC, if possible.

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On 5/22/2021 at 3:43 PM, KinnyWynny said:

However there's been a trend lately of roleplayers, mainly gang roleplayers, to not call law enforcement, and just calling medical services when say, their homie got shot. See below for example;

 

[18:05:19] ********** EMERGENCY CALL **********
[18:05:19] * Log Number: 21-70136
[18:05:19] * Phone Number: -
[18:05:19] * Location: Covenant avenue a young man has been shoot multiple times while riding his bike.
[18:05:19] * Situation: Covenant avenue a young man has been shoot multiple times while riding his bike.

 

See there's no "Law enforcement has been notified" well great. Now an ambulance can't go to that call. If you ever do this, you're usually not going to get a response. Why? Because we have to manually call for law enforcement, and stage six blocks off until the scene's secure. Because Ambulances don't carry guns, and they're not going into gang territory where a shooting just happened, to pick up your homie, without cops. Also, a dispatcher always sends cops to a shots fired call.

 

the problem with this is that gang members generally aren't gonna call the cops, and when they're seen doing so, they're more often than not labelled as snitches. So this is an issue that really can't be changed, FD's gonna have to start adapting to it and calling backup manually, or simply showing up like FD would irl.

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FD wouldn't "simply show up" irl to someone who's been shot without having a police presence there to secure the scene first. The dispatcher should be the link in the chain where assistance is called, and because the script can already detect whether or not someone says "both" or something like it to ask for FD and LEO, how about we just make it so that if the caller says someone's been shot or the victim of a violent crime, both law enforcement and FD are called? Make the trigger words something like "shot," "shoot," "gun" or similar. 

 

It just doesn't make sense that a dispatcher wouldn't also alert police if someone's been shot in notoriously dangerous gang territory, even if the caller asks for it. 

 

This way, if a criminal/someone living in the hood really wanted to avoid the cops coming they'd have to consciously think about how they're reporting it(Maybe even provide false information) rather than just say "no we dont want cops to this active shooting please thank you mister dispatcher."

 

Or, alternatively, think about whether calling 911 at all is advisable. Maybe there're other solutions!

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1 hour ago, Loki said:

This way, if a criminal/someone living in the hood really wanted to avoid the cops coming they'd have to consciously think about how they're reporting it(Maybe even provide false information) rather than just say "no we dont want cops to this active shooting please thank you mister dispatcher."

 

The problem isn't with anyone not wanting cops to show up. It's with being labelled a snitch by other associates of the gang, who often times would likely perceive their associate calling 911 and saying that they need police AND medics as snitching and in many gangs that would have violent repercussions later on, so saying 'both' may not even be an option to that character.

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3 hours ago, Garras Up said:

The problem isn't with anyone not wanting cops to show up. It's with being labelled a snitch by other associates of the gang, who often times would likely perceive their associate calling 911 and saying that they need police AND medics as snitching and in many gangs that would have violent repercussions later on, so saying 'both' may not even be an option to that character.

But surely they know that by calling for medics, a cop response is almost guaranteed?

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22 minutes ago, Westen said:

But surely they know that by calling for medics, a cop response is almost guaranteed?

I remember my time in Palomino Locos Salvatruchas where my character was stabbed and was bleeding out. PLS roleplayed accordingly by improvising a lot with clothes, and then dumping her at a hospital. Don’t call 911; improvise, adapt and overcome.

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26 minutes ago, ThatDutchPerson said:

I remember my time in Palomino Locos Salvatruchas where my character was stabbed and was bleeding out. PLS roleplayed accordingly by improvising a lot with clothes, and then dumping her at a hospital. Don’t call 911; improvise, adapt and overcome.

Hospital staff contact police when someone with gunshot wounds and stab wounds show up in the ER. Invalid point. 

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1 minute ago, Mescalero said:

Hospital staff contact police when someone with gunshot wounds and stab wounds show up in the ER. Invalid point. 

Pretty valid point. Police wont lock up a victim untill a victim speaks, and police isnt drawn to the hood, but to the hospital.

Everyone gets off, esspecially when the victim simply doesnt press charges; police cant force a victim to speak on the spot in a hospital bed.

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1 minute ago, ThatDutchPerson said:

Pretty valid point. Police wont lock up a victim untill a victim speaks, and police isnt drawn to the hood, but to the hospital.

Everyone gets off, esspecially when the victim simply doesnt press charges; police cant force a victim to speak on the spot in a hospital bed.

It would end up the same if you are to call 911. 

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