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Make it so businesses can't be resold on the free market.


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After experiencing business ownership roleplay at first-hand, going through the process of applying for my businesses, where my background and roleplay quality was checked, obtaining those businesses, applying for the scripts, mapping the interiors, hiring the staff, etc. I thought to myself : Damn, this was hard! But it's also very rewarding. All that hard work, finally paid off, as I had my business up & running. And the business actually made sense to be in my character's hands, due to the background I have, thus I'm going to be able to offer tons of roleplay to the server because I'm invested in the business!

 

But, on the other side of the coin, there are people who...Skip this process. There are people who, unlike the rest of us, don't go through a quality & background check, which states why their character WANTS that business, HOW will the character run that business, etc. I'm talking about free market buyers & sellers. People that sell businesses on the free market. 

 

The majority of these people are grinders. People that just want businesses for the script-benefit side of it. That's why, in most cases, they opt to purchase businesses at an inflated price of 3x mp on forums instead of applying for a business via PM and obtaining those businesses at a normal price, because they don't have any proper background or they're simply not qualified to run a business, so they wouldn't get accepted. They simply want that sweet, sweet bread, they're not invested in the business AT ALL, they just open it each 2 days for the money, making these businesses that were once unique and a fountain roleplay, be flat and boring.

 

What I'm suggesting is, ONLY allow businesses to be acquired via PM and only allow businesses to be sold BACK to PM for 75% the price they were purchased at.

 

Stop the grinders, folks.

 

Prime example :

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But PM won't let you have some type of businesses saying that there is too many of them, even when it would make for your character. And even if there actually aren't many of them open. So your only way really is to buy one if you are able to find one.

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Alternatively, all business purchases require applications. We'd need to standardize running the mechanical aspects of business sale through UCP for that to work well, however.

 

My fear otherwise is that marketing and improving upon a brand doesn't add any value, or you're debating that value with someone who's not the buyer (which is bad.)

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Strong disagree with this suggestion, and here's why:

 

Instead of punishing the masses by restricting free sale of property, simply make it improper/bad portrayal do drop such advertisements as "Buying any business" or "Buying properties", et-cetera. They realistically don't make sense. I don't want to have to roleplay this island as more of a socialist dystopia than it already is, where most of the businesses are owned by the government (PM) through leases or applications. Free market has to exist.

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5 minutes ago, ChromaticDeath said:

Strong disagree with this suggestion, and here's why:

 

Instead of punishing the masses by restricting free sale of property, simply make it improper/bad portrayal do drop such advertisements as "Buying any business" or "Buying properties", et-cetera. They realistically don't make sense. I don't want to have to roleplay this island as more of a socialist dystopia than it already is, where most of the businesses are owned by the government (PM) through leases or applications. Free market has to exist.

This is already punished AFAIK and still doesn't stop people from buying businesses for the simple reason of making money despite it not fitting their character story, despite their quality not being up to the requirements, or ensuring that any roleplay will be offered via that business since they'll be purchasing it for the sole reason of script profit. 

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Just now, Santanaa said:

Despite it not fitting their character story, despite their quality not being up to the requirements, or ensuring that any roleplay will be offered via that business since they'll be purchasing it for the sole reason of script profit. 

 

Sounds like an RPQ report to me moreso a new rule suggestion, more admin oversight requiring extra PM workload and more burnout with more restrictions on players is generally not a good thing. But hey, that's just my two cents.

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There are also people who want to roleplay in a business but don't want to sit on a waiting list for a week to hear back from property management to bring in a new business they then need to have furnished - wait another 3-5 days for the scripts to get added in and then go through all the other stuff.   Some people want to buy a business that is already established and run that.

 

Making it so everyone has to apply for a business dramatically slows down peoples roleplay - increases PM's workload and for what? To stop a couple of shitters who want to grind out pixel cash?    If someone like that wants to pay 3x market price to buy an existing business that isn't being used or enjoyed; then we're in a spot where there's a large chunk of cash that was sitting in someone's characters bank account who was never going to spend it on anything that would benefit theirs, or anyone else's roleplay other than flexing pixel pennies between sports car races; which has now gone to someone else who has gone through getting their business set up and is probably off onto a different type of roleplay; where that money can be spent on providing roleplay to people around them.

 

Besides; for all you know the person buying a business might be the best role-player on the server; and they might be using that business to provide some fantastic opportunities for character development.  Maybe it makes more sense to buy one of the multiple locked bars on the streets of Los Santos instead of getting a new interior spawned in next door.

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13 hours ago, Phased said:

There are also people who want to roleplay in a business but don't want to sit on a waiting list for a week to hear back from property management to bring in a new business they then need to have furnished - wait another 3-5 days for the scripts to get added in and then go through all the other stuff.   Some people want to buy a business that is already established and run that.

Why is it fair that the original purchaser goes through an entire process but then after that it's open season? This is the reason we have more shitty business owners than ones who have been properly vetted. Free markets can't exist in a world that has no external factors driving the market. This is an RP server that's supposed to encourage quality RP. Can't do that when people are bypassing the very systems put in place to do that. If you want to buy an existing business, you should have to be properly vetted just like they were when they originally purchased it. Why are you any more important than they are?

14 hours ago, ChromaticDeath said:

I don't want to have to roleplay this island as more of a socialist dystopia than it already is, where most of the businesses are owned by the government (PM) through leases or applications. Free market has to exist.

I don't think you realize what a truly free market would do in a place where there are zero external economy/market factors dictating supply and demand. No world economy. No world crises to affect the stock market. No expenses like a mortgage, property taxes, utilities, etc. Nothing that would affect a job market. No bad news coming from federal interest rate hikes, no bank collapses, nothing. A free market can't exist here because the prices would be so outrageous that even our inflated paychecks wouldn't be able to keep up. Simply relying on supply and demand would be extremely harmful to this server. The various checks and balances we have in place for properties is to ensure role play quality. It's that simple. Can't trust people to do it themselves or we'd have zero problems on this server and we all know that's not the case. We have far more shitty portrayal than good portrayal and leaving people who treat their money like monopoly money to buy businesses without properly being vetted through property management simply won't work. Why do you think we have a bunch of shitty businesses with a few, select ones that are run correctly?

 

Simple fact is that it should be fair practice to require everyone to be vetted the same way the original purchaser was. Why is the second purchaser more important than the first, to where they aren't required to prove their worth just as the original purchaser was required to?

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5 hours ago, Numelo said:

Why is it fair that the original purchaser goes through an entire process but then after that it's open season? This is the reason we have more shitty business owners than ones who have been properly vetted. Free markets can't exist in a world that has no external factors driving the market. This is an RP server that's supposed to encourage quality RP. Can't do that when people are bypassing the very systems put in place to do that. If you want to buy an existing business, you should have to be properly vetted just like they were when they originally purchased it. Why are you any more important than they are?

 

 

What part of writing out an OOC application, furnishing an empty interior that you teleport into on writing enough words OOC, or waiting a week for your bar to work functionally as a bar, or your tattoo parlour to be able to tattoo people scriptwise is quality RP? I'd argue that Americans, using money to chase the American dream is far more realistic than there being six bars on a street, all unused but then another one is built across the road inside an old shop because the person behind the character is willing to invest an hour into their life to discuss how they are going to hire staff and offer roleplay.

 

Besides; people building houses then selling them on is exactly how it works in real life.  A person who wants to run a Starbucks typically doesn't build a new place themselves, they look at local places to rent or purchase.  A person who has just come into a lump sum and wants to start a computer retail outlet will look for local places to run their business from.   If anything - we should be promoting the purchasing of the existing unused businesses across the server before we put more on the map.

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