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On 2/1/2022 at 8:36 PM, mj2002 said:

 

Like I mentioned, this idea had been floating around staff discussions before. It was detailed as specifically limiting the amount of vehicles that could be sold by characters per month. Nervous himself specifically mentioned this at some point. I assume it got left to sit, or if we are being hopeful and positive it might be part of an upcoming update that was approved for the car dealership script. I prefer that approach as opposed to a maximum of four vehicles, because it is easier and more effective to limit sales/month.

 

My proposition would be;

  • Any character can only (/sv) sell x amount of vehicles per month to another character
  • Vehicles sold to an on-shift dealership employee do not count to this limit
  • Vehicle sold by an on-shift dealership employee do not count to this limit
  • The limit and count is mentioned each time a player uses /sv to set up a sale

This specifically targets mobile dealerships and doesn't really hurt the average player. For this to work, I believe the lease application ban for dealerships needs to be lifted. That ban should never have been placed to begin with. A good application is always good and beneficial to the server regardless of how many dealerships are already active, a bad application is always bad.

 

Alternatively, this can be enforced ICly, but that requires a lot of work from business licensing officials. I'm all for this solution as well.

Mobile dealerships are unrealistic as all hell.

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On 2/1/2022 at 10:29 PM, Cypher99 said:

Bottom line. People who don’t apply to be a dealership need to be limited. Most states have a limit of around 4-5 cars a year before you have to get a license to continue selling vehicles at that rate. If you are acting as a dealership, you should be made to adhere to the same standards. 
 

1) Many phone dealerships do not spawn their cars in a lot they don’t own, which would make it obvious. They just abuse the car spawning (/vpark, /vget) when they buy or sell a car. This is script abuse. 
 

2) Many phone dealerships do not apply for a business license nor a lot / space that would realistically house these cars. This is just skirting around the standards required of other legitimate dealerships. 
 

3) Many (not all) phone dealers don’t actually do it for the RP. They do it because of how the car economy operates and abuse it to earn script cash in an almost fool-proof way. This is an OOC portrayal issue because it’s just exploiting the system. Most of these guys didn’t have a dream to become a car dealer. Everyone OOC knows it’s a money-maker, so that’s what they do. If you want to do it for the RP, you can apply just like everyone else through the right channels. 
 

4) Legally these dealerships are operating without a business license and are technically operating illegally. This should disqualify them from using the /ad system as it’s mainly for legal ads. Someone selling their own personal car? No big deal. Putting out ads selling 15 different cars at a time? Ridiculous. It’s script abuse. 

 

Should be same standards for everyone running a dealership. Go through the proper channels. There’s a reason PM requires you to apply for a business / space for the cars, etc. It’s not a complicated issue. People just don’t want to go about it the right way.

Fully agree, I had to register the dealership I run and get the lot recognized and such, even had Fire-marshal's inspect the office for safety. Limiting car dealers to a specific class type and or price range will destroy them. Why? Because there are times where you have low end vehicles in abundance and times where you have high end that are more on sale. Limiting a dealer to a certain class is bad idea. Price range is a bit more reasonable. I tend to keep most of the cars on my lot under 300k, I don't buy anything above that mostly.

 

The whole idea of Vehicle class is bad in itself. Price range is more reasonable.

 

1 minute ago, Hawken/Moscropp said:

It depends on the type of mobile dealership. One selling a few cars not really. One selling twenty yes.

I was talking about the one I seen doing an advert saying they got like 10+ cars.

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44 minutes ago, Vash Baldeus said:

Limiting car dealers to a specific class type and or price range will destroy them.

It will also most likely be a disservice to players. I mentioned earlier that players are often in a situation where they need to sell a car for some reason - request from PM or RPQM, CK/Namechange, new car but it would be unrealistic for them to have two, etc. 

And a lot of dealerships refuse to buy cars. As a consequence, a player can face a choice of losing a massive amount of money or keeping an unrealistic/problematic asset 😕 So, if EVEN the dealerships that DO buy cars still refuse because they only buy trucks/bikes/etc., it can become a bit of a problem. Not a major one, but the fact is that dealerships that buy are often a player's best friend ^^'

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3 hours ago, Vash Baldeus said:

The whole idea of Vehicle class is bad in itself. Price range is more reasonable.

GTAW prices are not sensical, so a theme rather than a price range or vehicle class makes much more sense. That's what I have been attempting to do for a while. I think it is unfortunately that most dealerships haven't followed this trend, except perhaps for Vetrov, one or two others, and one or two attempts at motorcycle-only dealerships. There are so many possibilities for this;

 

  • Low-end to mid-range vehicles
  • Cheap vehicles + SUVs + Lowriders
  • The newest modern cars (but not sports cars)
  • Classic cars of any kind
  • Only German brands (Benefactor, BF, Obey, etc...)
  • Only American brands (Albany, Bravado, Vapid, etc...)
  • Only Asian/Japanese brands (Annis, Bollokan, Karin, etc..)
  • Only commercial vehicles (this is very niche)
  • Only SUVs
  • Single brand only (a few brands are suitable for this, such as Vapid)
  • Motorcycles and dirtbikes only
  • Sport motorcycles only
  • High end sports cars and SUVs
  • Boats or aircraft only

 

Remember, we have well over 400 vehicles available to us, which excludes things like boats, bicycles and aircraft. You can easily limit yourself to only a selection of these vehicles. In my view, Property Management should be more proactive in enforcing these things, since it is just silly to have some of these mixed together on the same lot. There's a lot that's fine, but some things just don't make sense. Once this is the case, we can also start trading between dealerships more realistically. Got a car as a trade-in that doesn't fit your niche? Sell or trade it to a dealership where the car fits better. This leads to more interactions and you don't have to turn away customers as much either.

 

A lot of the responsibility lies with dealership owners and their managers themselves as well. You don't have to worry about money anyway, so at least put some effort into improving your standards and seeing where you can improve the quality of the roleplay experience.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, mj2002 said:

GTAW prices are not sensical, so a theme rather than a price range or vehicle class makes much more sense. That's what I have been attempting to do for a while. I think it is unfortunately that most dealerships haven't followed this trend, except perhaps for Vetrov, one or two others, and one or two attempts at motorcycle-only dealerships. There are so many possibilities for this;

 

  • Low-end to mid-range vehicles
  • Cheap vehicles + SUVs + Lowriders
  • The newest modern cars (but not sports cars)
  • Classic cars of any kind
  • Only German brands (Benefactor, BF, Obey, etc...)
  • Only American brands (Albany, Bravado, Vapid, etc...)
  • Only Asian/Japanese brands (Annis, Bollokan, Karin, etc..)
  • Only commercial vehicles (this is very niche)
  • Only SUVs
  • Single brand only (a few brands are suitable for this, such as Vapid)
  • Motorcycles and dirtbikes only
  • Sport motorcycles only
  • High end sports cars and SUVs
  • Boats or aircraft only

 

Remember, we have well over 400 vehicles available to us, which excludes things like boats, bicycles and aircraft. You can easily limit yourself to only a selection of these vehicles. In my view, Property Management should be more proactive in enforcing these things, since it is just silly to have some of these mixed together on the same lot. There's a lot that's fine, but some things just don't make sense. Once this is the case, we can also start trading between dealerships more realistically. Got a car as a trade-in that doesn't fit your niche? Sell or trade it to a dealership where the car fits better. This leads to more interactions and you don't have to turn away customers as much either.

 

A lot of the responsibility lies with dealership owners and their managers themselves as well. You don't have to worry about money anyway, so at least put some effort into improving your standards and seeing where you can improve the quality of the roleplay experience.

Locking dealers to this type of following a specific class of car hurts business. As I have said, I do not buy anything above a certain amount, set it myself and in the vast majority of cases I'd prefer lower end vehicle over high end. But enforcing a Limitation like this on everyone will hurt business. Because not all the cars out there are German on the server, there's a lot of Japanese.

 

I understand your idea, I do not agree with it though. We are second hand dealers, not brand new where we can focus on having import of vehicles done. Locking ourselves to a specific brand or vehicle class as second hand would cause massive shortages on stock. This would work if there were player owned brand new dealerships, not second hand.

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8 minutes ago, Vash Baldeus said:

Locking dealers to this type of following a specific class of car hurts business.

And as I mentioned,players. If for some reason the only dealership on the server specializing in SUVs isn't opened at the same time a player can connect...? Welp. Guess they may never be able to sell their SUV (since there is a limit on flipping now). Or lose 80% of its value. 😕  

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1 hour ago, Vash Baldeus said:

Locking dealers to this type of following a specific class of car hurts business. As I have said, I do not buy anything above a certain amount, set it myself and in the vast majority of cases I'd prefer lower end vehicle over high end. But enforcing a Limitation like this on everyone will hurt business. Because not all the cars out there are German on the server, there's a lot of Japanese.

 

I understand your idea, I do not agree with it though. We are second hand dealers, not brand new where we can focus on having import of vehicles done. Locking ourselves to a specific brand or vehicle class as second hand would cause massive shortages on stock. This would work if there were player owned brand new dealerships, not second hand.

 

Car dealerships never have a problem with 'business', because it is literally printing money. It is sacrificing time and profits for quality. Short on stock? Put some effort and time into getting new stock instead of opening at every possible moment. Hire people to help out.

 

1 hour ago, Topinambour said:

And as I mentioned,players. If for some reason the only dealership on the server specializing in SUVs isn't opened at the same time a player can connect...? Welp. Guess they may never be able to sell their SUV (since there is a limit on flipping now). Or lose 80% of its value. 😕  

 

As I explained before, this would encourage dealerships to trade between each other in order to get rid of cars that don't really work for their dealership's background. This way, they can keep buying what people have to trade in

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I think the vehicles the dealer specialises in should be based on their location and what is likely to sell mostly. I don't think it should be incredibly strict though. Like if your located in Sandy shores it makes sense to buy vehicles that are more likely to sell e.g. pickups, worktrucks, muscle cars etc, instead of a Vapid Chino Custom or a Enus Huntley S, however taking a risk on something like a XLS might be worth it occasionally. While a dealership in Davis would be more likely to sell cheap low budget cars, and chino customs etc so therefore majority of their stock should be that BUT maybe buying a Gresley Hellhound might be worth it just incase someone with more wealth comes by. A dealership in Hawick would focus on middle class vehicles, they'd probably be able to sell cars in any price ranges easily other than supercars and extreme luxury SUVs.

 

Don't necessary limit dealerships on what vehicles they can have, but if you see a dealership located in Strawberry with a Cheetah Classic, Pariah, Argento etc then that'd be considered unrealistic. Same as if the dealership in Hawick had 20 cars averaging a value of 300,000$ each. Instead look at dealerships portrayl.

 

Do it from a more ratio point of view. A car dealership in Hawick could have 20 cars. If 15 of those was 200k+ supercars that'd be unrealistic but if they had a couple? Fair enough. Same as a dealership in Davis would occasionally be able to flip a high value car. I know of a "mobile trader" IRL who mostly dabbles in cars like Ford Focus's, Fiesta's, Seat Leons etc. But on a rare occasion has actually ended up with a Ferrari and selling that.

 

By putting rules preventing mobile traders from selling insane amount of vehicles it would force them to instead sell to dealerships for less profit (something I've already been doing on my current character since I want to control my money and also it's more realistic for him) meaning that the dealerships end up with more cars. Not only that many mobile dealers would probably stop buying as many cars or give up completely, MEANING more people would sell to real dealerships, solving any concerns about stock issues.

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1 hour ago, mj2002 said:

 

Car dealerships never have a problem with 'business', because it is literally printing money. It is sacrificing time and profits for quality. Short on stock? Put some effort and time into getting new stock instead of opening at every possible moment. Hire people to help out.

If the dealership script was never released in the gimped state it is where employees MUST have the script-wise owner of the vehicle present to spawn it in for display, test drives and negotiating prices(because selling via the script as it is right now won't let ya lower price without owner), you'd see more employees around. The way a lot of the dealers were doing it is adding the vehicle into the business garage instead which is grey area because that is not it's purpose.

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As I explained before, this would encourage dealerships to trade between each other in order to get rid of cars that don't really work for their dealership's background. This way, they can keep buying what people have to trade in

It's a nice idea but every other dealer has his ego, not everyone's friendly.

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