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Possible solution could be;

  • Ban cell phone dealers entirely. Maybe put a hard cap of two vehicles per week before the script prevents you from selling another. This cap would obviously not apply to anyone with the dealership script. (/dealersellvehicle?)
  • Allow players to register for a 'broker' license from the government (which is required for a great deal of car sales in California). In order to acquire this license, the player would have to provide proof of an adequate storage location OOC and could request garage/warehouses from PM. With a broker license, they would be able to buy and sell vehicles as a private party but wouldn't be classified as a dealership.
  • Possibly still limit the broker license to maybe 10 cars a week or so (not in the industry, just throwing out a number), to provide incentives for a dealership.
  • Invest in more legal requirements for buying and selling vehicles such as having DMV and inspection records on hand, to encourage more roleplay and allow IC repercussions for failing to operate correctly.
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"You might consider getting into used cars, I made my first million here that way quite fast!"

-an old friend, talking to Carry about job opportunities in LS these days, ca. November 2020

 

So I can raise the value of any generic car I purchase by 20% without any investment just by demanding it, and sell it immediately, but not buy a place, invest actual money in renovations, and sell it? Who the hell had this idea.

-Carry, later contemplating on the matter

 

 

Most suggested fixes think too short.

The reason trade-minded characters pick this or that field to work on is simply the possible profit. Cars are by far the highest valuable legal good to be traded ic and that's why people turn to trading them.

Opposed to cut this down by adding regulations against ads that then admins have to run after, the approach should be to consider wether other sorts of trade that involve more rp should not be more encouraged (by balancing the system out to allow margins of car dealers for estate agents for example, lmao). Obviously encouraging proper car dealers with yards by giving them benefits opposed to cost for their effort might be worth to be considered as well on the specific matter of car dealers.

 

Right now cars on the legal market are what guns are on the illegal: a product with artificially high value (in comparison to almost everything else traded in our economy) that is incredibly demanded due to ooc regulations (in the case of cars it's the effective prohibition of house trades for profit- the regulations just don't allow enough flexibility without to constantly get Extrawurst from an admin, I don't have to try myself, it's all the regulations to read-,  in the case of illegal armament the simple fact that server demand's higher than supply).

 

 

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There's no justification to these cell phone car dealers with no licensing or approval as a dealer. Sure you can pull the 1:1 IRL argument but here its basically skirting around the rules and it shouldn't be allowed. You're using regular ads to sell these cars most of the time, so you're not portraying as a business or you'd be using /bad to mark the location of your dealership lot. If you are using /bad without proper licensing or approval as a business, then you're still breaking the rules. That's abusing the advertisement system, plain and simple.

 

Secondly, If I were to get approved for a business in-game such as a bar, casino or coffee shop and then opened without paying licensing fees (obviously still WIP but you get the idea) or didn't get a fire inspection ---- they'd be all over me. Approved businesses are held to a standard but these fly-by-night dealers are allowed to operate without so much as a glance in their direction. It's an OOC problem. It shouldn't be allowed. If you're going to sell cars, you should be required to be licensed and approved with a space that can actually house a good amount of vehicles. I highly doubt all these cell phone car dealers properly RP their vehicles in a lot somewhere. I'm sure a select few try to do it right, but it's still wrong in my opinion.

 

If you're not approved to be a car dealer the right way through the same system that all other businesses are required to go through, you shouldn't be allowed to operate. Other businesses don't get afforded the same luxury of skirting around the rules, so why is this any different? It basically makes the vehicle dealership leasing option useless because why would I pay $30,000 a month to lease a property when I can just use the advertising system and a cell phone to get around needing approval? This shouldn't even be a discussion in my eyes, it should just be corrected.

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I'd say, put more pressure on car dealerships by demanding more RP from them. It's very anti climactic to see your 300k DS Priced car which has full upgrades go to a dealership for almost 30% off the DS price to then see them reverse it in to a slot and put a price way over what you got for it without any realistic RP at all.

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4 hours ago, ChippySound said:

I'd say, put more pressure on car dealerships by demanding more RP from them. It's very anti climactic to see your 300k DS Priced car which has full upgrades go to a dealership for almost 30% off the DS price to then see them reverse it in to a slot and put a price way over what you got for it without any realistic RP at all.

We don't "reverse it" and place a sticker on it. All cars at my dealership get washed and gassed before they are placed on the lot. We don't quote a seller 30k and then flip it for 60k. All cars are evaluated on mileage, mods and maintenance records. If it's over 1500 miles I won't give you MP for it even if it pooped gold. Cars are depreciating assets and I run a business not a charity. I have to pay my salesmen, my marketing team, pay the lease, security, gas and carwash expenses and still make a profit. Cause guess what, the state ain't helpin. Our rp is constantly monitored and then we have to deal with annoying low ballers, extortionists, trolls on bmxs and car thieves. So before you come and take a swing at us, try working with us and see the pitfalls and shit we have to wade through daily. Flippers just advertise. Their cars are all despawned when not in use. Which is highly unrealistic. None of them are insured while all our cars come with atleat 5 days. If a cheap car insurance expires we renew it for the entire month. We haggle on prices and give nice customers good deals.

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2 hours ago, i dont wanna od in LA said:

So I do kinda understand the issue here but you gotta keep in mind that vehicle sales are also way more "fluent" in real life. It doesn't take weeks to buy a used vehicle whereas buying an apartment/flat/house does. I'd say there could be potentially some regulations put in place, however you shouldn't limit it completely.

You are right this happens in real life. But an individual without a dealers license has to register the vehicles first. Wait 2 weeks for the title to come and then only then can they resell them. Not to mention even then the sales are capped to 5 cars a year. 

 

If these cellphone dealers want to revolutionize the market. Do what I do in real life. Buy a warehouse. Get your self registered as a dealer and sell your cars online via forums only. Make sure your inventory is stored in a warehouse not just vparked in some random parking lot. 

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17 minutes ago, Hunmble Adnan said:

You are right this happens in real life. But an individual without a dealers license has to register the vehicles first. Wait 2 weeks for the title to come and then only then can they resell them. Not to mention even then the sales are capped to 5 cars a year. 

 

If these cellphone dealers want to revolutionize the market. Do what I do in real life. Buy a warehouse. Get your self registered as a dealer and sell your cars online via forums only. Make sure your inventory is stored in a warehouse not just vparked in some random parking lot. 

No clue if that's exactly how it works in California but to my knowledge you can sell a vehicle without changing the tags or insurance-holder at all. All you have to do is file a IRS form if the transaction includes more than $10k and notify your state DMV about the sale.

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3 hours ago, i dont wanna od in LA said:

No clue if that's exactly how it works in California but to my knowledge you can sell a vehicle without changing the tags or insurance-holder at all. All you have to do is file a IRS form if the transaction includes more than $10k and notify your state DMV about the sale.

What happens if I sell cars without a dealer license?

Selling vehicles for a profit without a license is illegal in every state. If caught, the penalty is a hefty fine and even possible jail time. Here’s a list of news articles where people have been caught, fined, and sentenced to jail for selling cars without a license:

Not me. It's from a law website in California.

http://www.12news.com/news/local/valley/undercover-bust-nabs-man-accused-of-illegally-selling-more-than-100-vehicles/299685695

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