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[Guide] Extortion


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1 hour ago, Cypher said:

If you start killing all your extortion attempts, who's left to extort? That doesn't sound good for business. Unless they show an extreme disregard for their life, administration has already said they don't approve CK's on business owners until after a long build-up of events. You're basically encouraging people to extort and if you don't get your way, you CK the business owner. Once again, this is not how extortion works in this day and age. You're forcing business owners into a corner where it's either comply or eventually get CK'd. That's completely ridiculous and I'm pretty sure this wouldn't fly under a CK request unless the extreme case where a business owner shows a complete disregard for their own life. If a business owner tells you no and then goes to the police, a CK shouldn't be approved.

Read the guide through one more time and see how many steps I have mentioned before even considering CK. 

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4 hours ago, SiMo said:

Read the guide through one more time and see how many steps I have mentioned before even considering CK. 

Steps that start with “ask who the owner is” and “burn down their business if they don’t comply”. This just isn’t how extortion works in this day and age. Nowadays it’s almost always local extortion rings. Albanians extorting Albanians. Koreans extorting in K-town. Italians extorting small business owners in Little Italy and so on. You don’t just extort a business because they are “on your turf”. If you resort to burning the business or killing the owner, how do you get paid? You don’t. This isn’t the 90’s. Most extortion comes from legal fronts. Read the rest of my post. I think this just encourages more bad extortion. Sorry man. I applaud the effort you put into it but it’s not quite in the right place, in my opinion. 

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3 hours ago, SiMo said:

Read the guide through one more time and see how many steps I have mentioned before even considering CK. 

 

Reads the guide.

 

Uh, three steps. You list three steps before you suggest "always aiming for a Character Kill" because "a PK makes it so the owner can continue running the business but you can't approach them." You think that people should be seeking to force CKs on the characters who people are passionately attempting to bring legal RP to this server with just because they did not let your character "win."

 

Like, hey, dude, you seem like a nice guy and like you're trying to bring some good roleplay to this, but you're definitely misguided about this. What you're describing in this guide looks to me to be pretty play to win. Nothing here seems to show anything about providing any good roleplay. This just seems to be a checklist about what you should do to either get an income out of a business owner or to eventually CK them.

 

Look, I get it, a lot of people on this community grew up watching mafia movies where extortion is a major plot point. It's Hollywood. Most of the mafia families they show doing this are from the 80s and earlier. A major plot point in the Sopranos was that their "old business" of extortion didn't work anymore. Knowing how much mafia RPers in GTA love Sopranos, I'm surprised so many of them ignore this. And most of all, I know most of us come from shittier roleplaying communities where "extortion" is considered just fine. Guys, it's time to grow up and move on. This is lazy, unoriginal roleplay which is a waste of time for everyone involved. 

 

Here is one of my first posts on this community which I think summarizes the issue pretty well:

 

 

I've already spent dozens of paragraphs in the 3 last topics to come up about extortion about why it's unrealistic, uninteresting, disruptive, destructive, toxic, and ultimately makes this entire server weaker as a result. Extortion roleplay makes GTA:W walk a little bit closer towards being a cops and robbers server rather than a heavy RP experience set in 2021. We're not RPing in Belgrade, we're not RPing in Azerbaijan, We've talked about how there is no substantial evidence of organized crime syndicates exposing themselves to the massive amounts of risk by extorting businesses in modern day major American metropolises. You can find a lot of that discussion in 

 

How does someone get out of extortion?

https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/38219-how-does-someone-get-out-of-extortion/?do=findComment&comment=349117
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/38219-how-does-someone-get-out-of-extortion/?do=findComment&comment=349237
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/38219-how-does-someone-get-out-of-extortion/?do=findComment&comment=349265
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/38219-how-does-someone-get-out-of-extortion/?do=findComment&comment=349275
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/38219-how-does-someone-get-out-of-extortion/?do=findComment&comment=352880
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/38219-how-does-someone-get-out-of-extortion/?do=findComment&comment=352917
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/38219-how-does-someone-get-out-of-extortion/page/12/?tab=comments#comment-353084

 

 

You can also find more discussion about why extortion roleplay is ridiculous, toxic, and abuses the limitations of our roleplay community to unrealistically dodge consequences. Like, SiMo, in this guide you actually dance around this issue: You multiple times talk about how connected the owner is with police. What you're really saying is how public of a legal figure is this person. This is the real world problem that has caused extortion to die out. It's simply too much heat for organized criminal ventures. These days, an unaffiliated common street thug is more likely to be attempting an extortion on a business (and getting arrested and sentenced for 10-20 years for it, womp womp) than an OCG. Real life organized crime groups today are not going to be engaging in extortion because it's a sure-fire way to end up destroying your organization. On our server, we still don't have RICO laws, and our police RPers have so much stuff wasting their time that spending hours and hours roleplaying investigations every single time some new shitty replaceable Eastern European criminal character goes "ehhh where is owner I needs the protective moneys for running buisnesses in my turfses" is not fun for them.

 

Most criminal factions on this server have moved the fuck on. The best criminal RPers on this server have had their characters move on to more interesting and realistic avenues of roleplay. 

 

If you want more reading about that:

 

Some changes for people who does extorting RP

https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/28124-some-changes-for-people-who-does-extorting-rp/?do=findComment&comment=239380
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/28124-some-changes-for-people-who-does-extorting-rp/?do=findComment&comment=239703
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/28124-some-changes-for-people-who-does-extorting-rp/?do=findComment&comment=239901
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/28124-some-changes-for-people-who-does-extorting-rp/?do=findComment&comment=239967
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/28124-some-changes-for-people-who-does-extorting-rp/?do=findComment&comment=241439
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/28124-some-changes-for-people-who-does-extorting-rp/?do=findComment&comment=262458
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/28124-some-changes-for-people-who-does-extorting-rp/?do=findComment&comment=263024
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/28124-some-changes-for-people-who-does-extorting-rp/?do=findComment&comment=263032
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/28124-some-changes-for-people-who-does-extorting-rp/?do=findComment&comment=263045

 

 

Current state of extorting businesses

https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=235642
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=235663
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=235677
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=235687
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=235690
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=235698
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=235706
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=235730
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=235744
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=236176
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=236219
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=236239
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=236249
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=236278
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=236295
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=236315
https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/27996-current-state-of-extorting-businesses/?do=findComment&comment=236322

 

On 1/7/2021 at 3:30 PM, SiMo said:

If you drive expensive vehicles, have expensive suits, it means you have money ICly and that is how people will portray you. “Playing a tough guy” with over $500,000 in bank and without being a part of any criminal organization is simply not totally realistic. 

 

There is one more thing I want to point out from your guide which stood out to me. This comment in particular really, in my mind, encapsulates the problem here. This sounds to me like an OOC frustration you have with "the other" -- the other in this case being people who roleplay legal business owners. Welcome to the real world: Real life business owners make up the majority of wealthy people in the world. Many many years ago, yes, running a business in a major American city often meant you'd be visited by criminal interests demanding a slice of your profit. These days, not anymore.

 

You're curmudgeoning about people RPing "tough guys" but the fact of the matter is that it's really not unusual for successful business owners in real life to be "tough guys." Because why wouldn't they be? The real world doesn't actually think criminals are cool outside of Hollywood. The cool people are the business owners--the ones who are their own bosses, who run businesses where people want to go, who are well-connected and well-known in the community, who are wealthy and well taken care of. 

 

I think one of the biggest problems with extortion RP on this server is that criminals are not roleplaying any fear of consequences. They're not roleplaying fear of powerful legal characters. You guys know the meta of GTA RP is just to PK/CK people and you know you're able to do that so you know you're able to always win. A well-roleplayed legal character will virtually never PK/CK anyone else. So you know you have an advantage and an easy way to "end" the roleplay if it ever gets too much for you. 

 

Why would any reasonably intelligent criminal who is trying to stay out of prison go out of their way to expose themselves to one of the most well-connected and wealthy people in the city and make an enemy out of them? Are you guys just not roleplaying any fear of the police because you know OOCly that the odds of any consequences  falling on you are super slim, and even if they do, you're only looking at a slap on the wrists and 24-48 hours in jail? That's what it seems like to me.

 

 

Again, SiMo, w're all just RPers here. I respect that you're trying to benefit this style of roleplay because it's clearly one you enjoy. But just because your character is from a 2nd world country where this kind of stuff might still be happening doesn't mean it's really realistic for this stuff to be happening in the US in 2021 in a city which represents one of the most wealthy cities in the entire world. Try considering the perspective that what you're ultimately doing is hijacking and sabotaging other people's roleplay.

 

If you really care about good extortion roleplay, let's talk. I'll help you write a guide for how extortion might actually work in the modern world, and how real life criminal organizations even begin to approach this issue in today's day and age.

 

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9 minutes ago, F0r3sT said:

Amazing guide. Let's hope people who hate being extorted won't come in here and trash-talk the guide.

If you live in the 90’s, sure. Also I’m a big proponent of engaging in extortion when it’s done correctly. This is not it chief. 

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Yeah sorry bud I'm a five foot five English immigrant with a PF gun, nobody is gonna extort me. Im not afraid of massive criminal organizations like some kind of baby. 

 

How am I expected to support my legal business when I can open it only 7 days a week with government subsidies of 20k each time that I do, and the extorters are asking for five grand and a snickers?! This is an unbearable cross that once again the legal community is being forced to bare. 

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10 minutes ago, Ted said:

How am I expected to support my legal business when I can open it only 7 days a week with government subsidies of 20k each time that I do, and the extorters are asking for five grand and a snickers?! This is an unbearable cross that once again the legal community is being forced to bare. 

 

You know, every time people try to defend extortion, this is what I hear most often. "Waaahhh legal RPers make a lot of money and they don't want to share it because they just want to keep their money." For all the flak you guys try to throw at legal RPers about how play to win they're being and now assets-focused they're being, the people who most frequently talk about assets and money and e-gainzs and "muh precious weekly five grands" are the people who totally think "extortion RP is very valid heavy RP experience that's beneficial for everyone and not play2win at all."

 

It's especially laughable that you guys keep trying to make this an "us vs them" issue when almost all the criminal RPers engaging in shitty extortion RP run multiple businesses of their own where they also make the 20k government openbusiness subsidy and also take advantage of the 4k/hr pay for all of their goons to sit around and menacingly drink coffee while gossiping about their big brain 200 IQ criminal plays of approaching the most successful businesses on the server to panhandle for their precious e-moniez. The only difference between what the criminal RPers are doing and the legal RPers is that the criminal RPers just staff all their businesses with their own goons so that the IRS has a complete paper trail of everyone's association with one another, while legal RPers go out and build their staff teams independent of faction affiliations.

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35 minutes ago, Ted said:

Yeah sorry bud I'm a five foot five English immigrant with a PF gun, nobody is gonna extort me. Im not afraid of massive criminal organizations like some kind of baby. 

 

How am I expected to support my legal business when I can open it only 7 days a week with government subsidies of 20k each time that I do, and the extorters are asking for five grand and a snickers?! This is an unbearable cross that once again the legal community is being forced to bare. 

First of all, if true non-fear RP is shown to the point that it's breaking rules, it's an offense you report. Second, you're justifying extortion because you OOC'ly know that the business owners are good for it? Laughable. Sounds like play to win to me. You're just as misguided.

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27 minutes ago, Cypher said:

First of all, if true non-fear RP is shown to the point that it's breaking rules, it's an offense you report. Second, you're justifying extortion because you OOC'ly know that the business owners are good for it? Laughable. Sounds like play to win to me. You're just as misguided.

Government subsidies are considered an IC thing. 

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