Daquan Kingston Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, knppel said: Speaking out of experience not just on this server: No, it doesn't. ~89% of parties will be unable to actually protect your business, lacking the needed resources to spare ~10% would be able to do that, but certainly won't bugger with the generic troublemakers in a business (for which I honestly can't blame them- doing this for 5k/month in a business that opens regularly would make the model unattractive for the extortionists) the remaining ~1% that would have the resources and spare them for ic reasons at any time typically are beyond this business model ic, leaving it to the remaining 99% that one way or another don't actually offer much for the money except to personally stay away and not trash the place. Same can be said to criminal players who expect to get through with no matter how dumb a crime constantly. What's out of balance is the needed effort from player side- I can walk into any business and demand money without to apply for anything , whereas to operate a business for the public one typically has to write up a novel why one's character would realistically do that- and still play script money on top for the property, scripts, supply items, components, staff etc. Compare that with "running an extortion business" which I can basically start with a bat from a supermarket. Do it, see how far it gets you. Link to comment
knppel Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 If you start from the bottom and pick the right targets that aren't protected by people with bigger weapons it can work out, but that's off topic. And if it doesn't work out I can still complain legal roleplayers don't rp enough fear of me and blame it on them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment
Smilesville Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 hours ago, knppel said: And if it doesn't work out I can still complain legal roleplayers don't rp enough fear of me and blame it on them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I wouldn't have had to powergame if they just gave me the script assets I wanted. Why do those darn legal RPers make it so difficult and insist on doing things like realistic RP? Let's not pretend I'm responsible for my own actions, here - the victim is just as much to blame. ( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) Link to comment
Greyfeather Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Smilesville said: I wouldn't have had to powergame if they just gave me the script assets I wanted. Why do those darn legal RPers make it so difficult and insist on doing things like realistic RP? Let's not pretend I'm responsible for my own actions, here - the victim is just as much to blame. ( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) So, I went for an IRL business loan and, to my surprise, these were some of the questions on the application! 1 Link to comment
ChromaticDeath Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I'm going to post this here and leave it nebulous. Just because I post my opinion on a thread doesn't mean to go into my private messages and try to flame or correct your perceived injustice in my opinion. Talk about mentalities ruining the community, how about being so committed to your opinion you can't leave it in the debate thread? Ridiculous. As for all of your points they're fair enough @shiroq... if someone's business is in La Mesa or somewhere else that isn't boujee, maybe. Not in Rockford Hills or any other developed part of town. Extortion simply doesn't happen the way it does on the server in any capacity in Beverly Hills. And this isn't an "us vs them" like you're trying to make it. There are plenty of illegal factions that portray themselves perfectly, take the time to approach more realistic avenues of moneymaking rather than "Where is owner of club? We give to you nothing in exchange for script money." 1 Link to comment
shiroq Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, ChromaticDeath said: I'm going to post this here and leave it nebulous. Just because I post my opinion on a thread doesn't mean to go into my private messages and try to flame or correct your perceived injustice in my opinion. Talk about mentalities ruining the community, how about being so committed to your opinion you can't leave it in the debate thread? Ridiculous. As for all of your points they're fair enough @shiroq... if someone's business is in La Mesa or somewhere else that isn't boujee, maybe. Not in Rockford Hills or any other developed part of town. Extortion simply doesn't happen the way it does on the server in any capacity in Beverly Hills. And this isn't an "us vs them" like you're trying to make it. There are plenty of illegal factions that portray themselves perfectly, take the time to approach more realistic avenues of moneymaking rather than "Where is owner of club? We give to you nothing in exchange for script money." Faction reports exist for a reason, have you ever reported any of those factions for these "unrealistic" actions? I hope you have. As for "Boujee" area's you're wrong there is plenty of evidence of that. There are articles of extortion happening in Hollywood in LA, now most of the time it doesn't last long because it ended up in the news etc. But here is my point again, it's not the criminals fault that they extort a business and PD is not willing to do anything meaningful. This is a PD issue of not wanting to do anything meaningful to these criminals they have all the tools in the world especially now with the wires and bugs and so on. They could wire up the owner, no one in their right mind unless they are being completely unsrealistic goes on and pats down every person they speak to for wires. There is so many avenues that PD can explore in terms of catching these criminals but cheap thrills and instant gratification is the trand these days. Criminals rpers already have very little to do, so no I don't agree on putting restrictiosn on extortion. If it's being done in a bad way then simply report those invidividuals, and eventually it will stack up against them if they don't stop it. 1 Link to comment
ChromaticDeath Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, shiroq said: Faction reports exist for a reason, have you ever reported any of those factions for these "unrealistic" actions? I hope you have. Yes. Faction reports take months and months, unfortunately.. As for your comment about boujee areas... Hollywood is a bad example on your part. I used Beverly Hills specifically because Rodeo Drive does not have these third world country issues. Hollywood is a mixed bag of high life and low life. Link to comment
shiroq Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, ChromaticDeath said: Yes. Faction reports take months and months, unfortunately.. As for your comment about boujee areas... Hollywood is a bad example on your part. I used Beverly Hills specifically because Rodeo Drive does not have these third world country issues. Hollywood is a mixed bag of high life and low life. If you think extortion is a third world country issue, you live a very sheltered life bless you. Link to comment
Ink Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 7 hours ago, shiroq said: If you are on a roleplay server that tries to be realistic We are on a roleplay server that tries to be realistic. But unfortunately we still have some roleplayers who are so desperate to pretend like their characters are criminal masterminds who have no fear of legal consequences 7 hours ago, shiroq said: and you want to rp in some happy bubble where bad things never happen then maybe roleplay isn't for you. There are plenty of bad things that can happen, and which are more interesting to RP than generic vaguely European gangsters coming to visit you from a bunch of inactive or brand new criminal factions. I think the best part about your post is you yourself acknowledge that extortion is a "bad thing" to happen to someone's roleplay. Earlier in this thread I made the comparison that extortion RP is essentially like a parasite in which uncreative, unoriginal, uninspired roleplayers boringly latch onto someone else's roleplay project and provide virtually nothing of substance except drain time, OOC and IC energy, and resources from those involved. People being exhausted at how stupid extortion RP is aren't trying to get out of "bad things happening." Though if the extent of your interaction with other players is "bad things happening" then maybe you should take a little bit of time to reflect on how your roleplay sounds kinda fuckin' toxic, and that there may be better games and hobbies for you if the biggest thrill you get is your character having generally defenseless people at their mercy. 7 hours ago, shiroq said: And if you think extortion is 1920's Chicago mafia tactics then you have not a single clue about crime. It's a good thing we have Dr, @shiroq, PhD in Crime, here to educate us all about the realistic state of organized crime syndicates extorting mom-and-pop business fronts in a major metropolitan area in 2020 United States. Tell us clueless people about all the realistic criminal extortion you know about that's happening on a daily basis in cities like Los Angeles. Tell us all about how everyday, law-abiding citizens in one of the most prosperous, digitally connected, and mega-policed countries in the world have to pay random European thugs out of the razor thin profits of their brick and mortar shops on a weekly basis so that they don't have their employee's legs broken, shop burned, or a bullet in their head. 1 Link to comment
Trupiano Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, ChromaticDeath said: Beverly Hills specifically because Rodeo Drive does not have these third world country issues. I suggest you do some research on extortion in the construction industry. Extorting millions out of a developer doesn't really seem like a third world issue. Link to comment
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